Two Bradley Freshmen to redshirt

[lefty]

At the risk of getting everyone upset....why in the world is everyone overreacting? It's funny, I read the paper, see the headlines and go on.
I seriously doubt JP had any intention of RS when he came to BU. I don't know the exact time of decision but I'm guessing it was basically at the last minute.
I don't remember anyone here thinking JP was going to RS.
It seemed to surprise everyone. I'm sure he's a disappointed some but if he knows his minutes will probably be limited then he also knows it's a wise decision.

I just don't see the reason to get all upset about it.

[BradleyBrave]

I do like the PJS, one of the first sites I went to when I got a computer, they had a bunch of great Bradley Articles online this morning. The article being talked about, I guess everyone words things wrong once in a while. But it has to be pointed out to them like the posters are doing.

Agreed...a lot of GREAT articles today. And when you actually read the redshirting article, it came off very positive. But the headline was very misleading, and immediately put a negative spin on the article. Obviously folks at the PJ Star agreed that it was inaccurate or they wouldn't have changed it so quickly. Could be just one headline write with a grudge, so I don't want to paint with too broad of a brush (although I probably have already).

[jeffsu]

At the risk of getting everyone upset....why in the world is everyone overreacting? It's funny, I read the paper, see the headlines and go on.
I seriously doubt JP had any intention of RS when he came to BU. I don't know the exact time of decision but I'm guessing it was basically at the last minute.
I don't remember anyone here thinking JP was going to RS.
It seemed to surprise everyone. I'm sure he's a disappointed some but if he knows his minutes will probably be limited then he also knows it's a wise decision.

I just don't see the reason to get all upset about it.

People are upset because the headline insinuated that JP was upset and hurt by BU's decision. Les had TWO Journal Star people there when they did the interview and he made it clear that it was 100% VOLUNTARY and no one was forced to redshirt, it was a discussion and they made the final decision.

People did/will/would have read the headline and assumed that JP is upset with BU, which is not the case. May have been caught off guard, but not upset.

[CABUFan]

The headline was "Feeling Sting of Redshirting", referring to Eureka Hornets' Jordan Prosser. The secondary headline that ran in the paper today was even more negative, can't remember what it said.

I believe the subheading was something like "Prosser surprised about being forced to redshirt."

[tornado]

I just don't see the reason to get all upset about it.

per Coach Les, there were misquotes and out of context quotes in the story - not the 1st time..

[lefty]

per Coach Les, there were misquotes and out of context quotes in the story - not the 1st time..

well I understand that...been through that too.

The thing is something is written one day and forgotten the next day by everyone except this board of course where they get beat for days and brought up for months.

I just don't think it was that big of deal.....if i was JP it would have stung me a little. I'm sure it's not what he envisioned going into this year.

[ser_solace]

The misleading headline does hurt, I think, because it gives a false impression that the coaches would force anyone to redshirt. One of the main ways I think the coaches try to sell BU to recruits is that they won't do that. If JP wants to battle for minutes throughout the year, he could have opted out of a redshirt. His choice.

[ghunt]

Just in regards to ghunt's post above about WE at the 4...

As I recall there was a great deal of gnashing of teeth about WE playing at the 4 because he looked tentative and roamed the perimeter jacking up 3s. That contrasted with the beginning of his sophomore season when he played at the 5 and suddenly looked aggressive and confident. I think Egolf is a center and plays like one... and I'm doubting we'll see him spend much time at all at the 4. Also, the last real power forward we had was not Cellus... If that's a prototypical "4" you are a big fan of a 4-guard lineup. Cellus was 6'5 on a good day, and not a "big guy" in build. He was undersized, but more than good enough to make up for his size disadvantage. Zach Andrews or Matt Salley were our last good 4s. I think TB is going to be very good there, but he's undersized... MK could be a really nice development if he shows up as advertised.

Umm, I am not sure how to respond to this--Marcellus was a stud a in terms of build and was 6'7" but he had dreams of playing a perimiter and face up game in the NBA, but at the college level with his athleticism he needed to establsih himself in the post then move to the outside game as a gem progressed--down the stretch in '06 he did that and flourished. Salley was a 4 who was on record thinking he was more suited as a three (realistically, no, but he sais as much) but forced to play a 5. Zach was a 5 who was athletic enough to go 4 in those instances when we needed to go big. I am not sure how you can call a 6'6' guy (TB) an undersized college 3.

[Out of Balance]

At the risk of getting everyone upset....why in the world is everyone overreacting? It's funny, I read the paper, see the headlines and go on.
I seriously doubt JP had any intention of RS when he came to BU. I don't know the exact time of decision but I'm guessing it was basically at the last minute.
I don't remember anyone here thinking JP was going to RS.
It seemed to surprise everyone. I'm sure he's a disappointed some but if he knows his minutes will probably be limited then he also knows it's a wise decision.

I just don't see the reason to get all upset about it.

I agree with you lefty. To be honest I think most of the poster's on here was thinking there could/would be a couple RS's this year. The surprised was JP with out a doubt! I think everyone was thinking guards (JE & SED) was the best bet. But some may of been thinking MK as one. Myself I thought there was a chance because of the depth that there would be 3 and JP was not one of them. But after Sunday's game with JP only jogging 3 minutes at the end, with both AT and MK getting more playing time, it was a red flag to me! Not saying I was thinking RS but there was a message there! Well it was close to 3 with a last minute change of mine by JL and the coaching staff on SED. Not sure why not RS him because we have so many guards with 3 having point guard experience. Also as I found out you can bring a player out of RS at any time.
I never started a thread or post about RSing because there is at least one who have in the past when the subject of RSing was posted would go nuts

[ghunt]

Yeah, (2) 200+ lb 6'3" guards and a 6'9" guard don't necessarily support your position there...


That would be like Bradley playing Milos at the 3 while having Andrew and DSE in running the point...

I don't if ever expect to see Jim have that lineup out...


Although I believe I did mention yesterday that it would be nice to have Anthony and Will on the floor at the same time with Will at the 4.


This whole 3 or 4 guard offense is just plain dumb. Why adhere to what everyone else is doing when you can make them matchup to you?

In reality, there should be times where AT/Will/Taylor make up the front line as both Will and Taylor can step out and knock down 16' jumpers.

Not only that, we don't exactly have more than 1 outstanding 3-pt shooter, so why play small?

You give up way too much of strength and rebounding.

Thanks--I think you put it much more succinctly then I ever do

[AZ BU Fan]

Not a lot of risk having JP start off as a potential RS.

If AT/SS/WE don't pan out as planned, someone gets hurt, or JP becomes a TB like monster in practice, JP could come off RS, couldn't he, and only miss some garbage time in FH games of the season?

If AT/SS/WE pan out this year, what a bonus to have JP for another 4 years since AT/WE will be gone after another 2 years....Locks up center position at BU for 5 years! Sweet....

[ghunt]

I agree with you lefty. To be honest I think most of the poster's on here was thinking there could/would be a couple RS's this year. The surprised was JP with out a doubt! I think everyone was thinking guards (JE & SED) was the best bet. But some may of been thinking MK as one. Myself I thought there was a chance because of the depth that there would be 3 and JP was not one of them. But after Sunday's game with JP only jogging 3 minutes at the end, with both AT and MK getting more playing time, it was a red flag to me! Not saying I was thinking RS but there was a message there! Well it was close to 3 with a last minute change of mine by JL and the coaching staff on SED. Not sure why not RS him because we have so many guards with 3 having point guard experience. Also as I found out you can bring a player out of RS at any time.
I never started a thread or post about RSing because there is at least one who have in the past when the subject of RSing was posted would go nuts

Could there also be surprise and disappointment of some fans' parts due to expectations? This is an honest question since I have not liven in Peoria for years and only have posts here from the past couple of years as well as reading what is apparently everyone's here favorite newpaper (online). All that I had read really seemed to have billed Prosser as a stud--area player of the year and all that. Given Central IL being a baskeball breadbasket/Hoosierland varient, the top player would seem to be pretty good (and likely is).

So, I guess I am honestly asking for the latest assessments of folks here who likely have seen him in live action--where does he stand skill-wise--strenghts, weaknesses, etc.? Unlike AT, we know it isn't size. Thanks in advance for any descrptions, I'm curious.

[thefish7]

Umm, I am not sure how to respond to this--Marcellus was a stud a in terms of build and was 6'7" but he had dreams of playing a perimiter and face up game in the NBA, but at the college level with his athleticism he needed to establsih himself in the post then move to the outside game as a gem progressed--down the stretch in '06 he did that and flourished. Salley was a 4 who was on record thinking he was more suited as a three (realistically, no, but he sais as much) but forced to play a 5. Zach was a 5 who was athletic enough to go 4 in those instances when we needed to go big. I am not sure how you can call a 6'6' guy (TB) an undersized college 3.

I've met cellus several times and he's 6'5 max and while he's a great athlete he's not a "big man." in college he's a perfect 3. In traditional thinking he's undersized at the 4 position. Most college programs don't have a good sized skilled 4 so it was no big deal. Don't misunderstand me. He was great for us and is one of my favorite braves ever but he didn't have a lot of low post game on either end of the floor and for that reason he's not a good example of a traditional 4. Not sure why you think I think tb is an undersized 3... I thik he's an undersized 4.

[Out of Balance]

Could there also be surprise and disappointment of some fans' parts due to expectations? This is an honest question since I have not liven in Peoria for years and only have posts here from the past couple of years as well as reading what is apparently everyone's here favorite newpaper (online). All that I had read really seemed to have billed Prosser as a stud--area player of the year and all that. Given Central IL being a baskeball breadbasket/Hoosierland varient, the top player would seem to be pretty good (and likely is).

So, I guess I am honestly asking for the latest assessments of folks here who likely have seen him in live action--where does he stand skill-wise--strenghts, weaknesses, etc.? Unlike AT, we know it isn't size. Thanks in advance for any descrptions, I'm curious.

Without a doubt the expectations were very high and for some fans they had him as the second coming to BU BB. That being said, I don't think any of the fans think less of the kid and view it as the best chance for JP to develop into that stud in the MVC. JL and the coach's view this as a positive move and who better to know. I am sure the kid wanted to play this year but if he looks deep inside and puts trust in the coach's, someday he will look back and say, best move I ever made. I said it before about JP and its true for all kids, its one hell of a jump from HS BB to D1 college! Just because you are a stud in HS does not mean you will be one in college, where the playing field and players are at a much higher level. JP has all the tools, and I think the future will be very big for him if he works hard at it!

[lefty]

[quote=Out of Balance;145432]Without a doubt the expectations were very high and for some fans they had him as the second coming to BU BB. That being said, I don't think any of the fans think less of the kid and view it as the best chance for JP to develop into that stud in the MVC. JL and the coach's view this as a positive move and who better to know. I am sure the kid wanted to play this year but if he looks deep inside and puts trust in the coach's, someday he will look back and say, best move I ever made. I said it before about JP and its true for all kids, its one hell of a jump from HS BB to D1 college! Just because you are a stud in HS does not mean you will be one in college, where the playing field and players are at a much higher level. JP has all the tools, and I think the future will be very big for him if he works hard at it![/quote

I agree....also it seems to me it's easier for a freshman guard to contribute to a D-1 program than a freshman big. Guards don't typically get quicker as they get older but big guys can get quicker and for sure stronger. Maybe JP's position will be defined during the year to know if he'll be a 4 or 5 . This gives him a chance to really work on that aspect. Going against guys 3-4 years older as a big man is not an easy task for a freshman. Look at POB, he was 7' and it wasn't until the latter part of soph year before he really came into his own. This will be great for JP and while it would have been fun to him play this year it will be more fun to see him play significant minutes for 4 years