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    I happened to stumble on a particular case, and in rereading the NCAA ruling,
    I have to admit, I was astounded.

    FLASHBACK--- Here is the case....
    Basketball Head Coach Jim Harrick presided over a tenure at University of Georgia that was one of the most corrupt in history.
    Just read the NCAA official report and see for yourself.


    Here are but a few of the findings:

    --Wire transfers of cash directly to prospective players (recruits) by members of the coaching staff.
    --The assistant involved openly and blatantly lied about the purpose of the cash transfer.
    --Basketball coaches purposefully made a mockery of the education of his players and committed academic fraud by
    setting up sham classes, that the players didn't even need to go to, were tested by being asked the most laughably simple
    questions, and then given "A's" no matter what their performance.
    --multiple staff members in the athletic dept. lied and tried to deceive NCAA investigators about the sham classes.
    --The coaches, including the head coach, frequently missed and were absent from the very classes they were
    supposed to be teaching.
    --multiple examples of extra, impermissible benefits were found.
    --the coaches even told and prompted the players to lie to the investigators.
    --extra benefits totalling thousands of dollars were given openly to recruits and players in the form of free phone calls, etc.
    --MANY, MANY of these violations were fully known to the coaching staff and they were given the opportunity to
    self report but instead lied and hid the evidence.
    --Georgia, by virtue of having a major infraction in 1997, was considered to be a repeat violator inside of the time frame
    that they were still on probation, since many of these new violations occurred as far back as 2001....
    they were widely expect to be fully deserving of the DEATH PENALTY!
    --and much, much more...just read the report...



    So, do you recall the penalty the school got??

    Here is a summary of what the NCAA handed down.
    First, let it be known that Georgia fired Harrick and his staff,
    so the NCAA gave the entire coaching staff responsible NO PENALTY except one of the assistants must seek NCAA OK before hiring on elsewhere.

    Georgia got --
    -4 years of probation
    -public reprimand
    -loss of only ONE basketball scholarship

    -NO addition postseason ban or penalty, and NO active player suspensions, and not one single dollar of all the graft and corruption was required to be paid back.
    -two other university personnell, the trainer and the chairman of the Phys. Ed. Dept., who both lied to investigators and were willing participants in all the fraud were given only a letter of reprimand from the university and no other punishment from the NCAA!!


    Hmmm......if this was a midmajor they would have surely gotten the death penalty plus 20 more years of probation in all other sports and loss of postseason play and scholarships for a decade.



    Can there be any doubt that Georgia got off with little more than a slap.
    NO recruiting restrictions other than the loss of ONE basketball scholarship. And NOT ONE tiny postseason ban of any kind.
    No loss of recruiting days (Bradley got recruiting days restricted).
    In the very year this ruling was handed down, if they had made it to the NCAA, they'd have been able to go!
    I need offer no more proof than this case alone to show how the big (BCS-type) schools are treated differently than smaller schools like BU.
    When the NCAA gave BU its year of probation, they dragged out a reference to the NCAA penalties over 20 years ago to hint that BU has a pattern of problems, so that the penalty needed to be more severe.
    In this case, Georgia commits some of the most blatant and massive violations, lies about, and goes virtually unpunished even tho they are still inside a probationary period from their last MAJOR INFRACTION in 1997!!

    Anyone else with comments?
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    Case closed.

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    • #3
      It is stuff like this when I wish there was someone in the media (newspapers and/or tv) that would interview Harrick and ask him about some of these illegal activities and why he thought he needed to do such things to be successful. I think Harrick is the type of guy if you were to back him into a corner, he would fire out all kinds of information. He would start naming names. And maybe reporters are afraid to hear the truth about BCS schools and things they do to be successful. Maybe outta fear they would wind up sleeping with fishes? Or I guess it is more newsworthy to report on how one thinks a private University is being suspicious on buying up neighboring land and being secretive on their plans.

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      • #4
        Wasn't Harrick's son also involved?
        And what are the Harrick's doing now?
        Don't tell me, they got new jobs coaching elsewhere.
        If they did, it wouldn't surprise me.

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        • #5
          Jim Harrick just got a job coaching in the NBDL
          Jim Harrick's son, Jim, Jr. will be joining his dad as assistant for the Bakersfield (CA) Jam.
          The latest news, videos, scores and more on the biggest sports, including NFL, NBA, MLB, NCAA, Soccer, Boxing, NASCAR and more with Sporting News


          In fact, a month ago someone posted about college basketball's Ten Most Embarrassing Moments.
          The article was a Sports Illustrated piece by Seth Davis, and it even apologized about leaving Jim Harrick's name off the list.
          I still, to this day, can't figure why people like Davis don't make a point of calling out crooks like Harrick, instead of cutting him slack and leaving him off lists like this but including things like fans who chant vulgarities.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tornado View Post
            I happened to stumble on a particular case, and in rereading the NCAA ruling,
            I have to admit, I was astounded.

            FLASHBACK--- Here is the case....
            Basketball Head Coach Jim Harrick presided over a tenure at University of Georgia that was one of the most corrupt in history.
            Just read the NCAA official report and see for yourself.


            Here are but a few of the findings:

            --Wire transfers of cash directly to prospective players (recruits) by members of the coaching staff.
            --The assistant involved openly and blatantly lied about the purpose of the cash transfer.
            --Basketball coaches purposefully made a mockery of the education of his players and committed academic fraud by
            setting up sham classes, that the players didn't even need to go to, were tested by being asked the most laughably simple
            questions, and then given "A's" no matter what their performance.
            --multiple staff members in the athletic dept. lied and tried to deceive NCAA investigators about the sham classes.
            --The coaches, including the head coach, frequently missed and were absent from the very classes they were
            supposed to be teaching.
            --multiple examples of extra, impermissible benefits were found.
            --the coaches even told and prompted the players to lie to the investigators.
            --extra benefits totalling thousands of dollars were given openly to recruits and players in the form of free phone calls, etc.
            --MANY, MANY of these violations were fully known to the coaching staff and they were given the opportunity to
            self report but instead lied and hid the evidence.
            --Georgia, by virtue of having a major infraction in 1997, was considered to be a repeat violator inside of the time frame
            that they were still on probation, since many of these new violations occurred as far back as 2001....
            they were widely expect to be fully deserving of the DEATH PENALTY!
            --and much, much more...just read the report...



            So, do you recall the penalty the school got??

            Here is a summary of what the NCAA handed down.
            First, let it be known that Georgia fired Harrick and his staff,
            so the NCAA gave the entire coaching staff responsible NO PENALTY except one of the assistants must seek NCAA OK before hiring on elsewhere.

            Georgia got --
            -4 years of probation
            -public reprimand
            -loss of only ONE basketball scholarship

            -NO addition postseason ban or penalty, and NO active player suspensions, and not one single dollar of all the graft and corruption was required to be paid back.
            -two other university personnell, the trainer and the chairman of the Phys. Ed. Dept., who both lied to investigators and were willing participants in all the fraud were given only a letter of reprimand from the university and no other punishment from the NCAA!!


            Hmmm......if this was a midmajor they would have surely gotten the death penalty plus 20 more years of probation in all other sports and loss of postseason play and scholarships for a decade.



            Can there be any doubt that Georgia got off with little more than a slap.
            NO recruiting restrictions other than the loss of ONE basketball scholarship. And NOT ONE tiny postseason ban of any kind.
            No loss of recruiting days (Bradley got recruiting days restricted).
            In the very year this ruling was handed down, if they had made it to the NCAA, they'd have been able to go!
            I need offer no more proof than this case alone to show how the big (BCS-type) schools are treated differently than smaller schools like BU.
            When the NCAA gave BU its year of probation, they dragged out a reference to the NCAA penalties over 20 years ago to hint that BU has a pattern of problems, so that the penalty needed to be more severe.
            In this case, Georgia commits some of the most blatant and massive violations, lies about, and goes virtually unpunished even tho they are still inside a probationary period from their last MAJOR INFRACTION in 1997!!

            Anyone else with comments?
            http://www.ncaa.org/releases/infract...04080501in.htm
            given a couple BCS schools have just been caught cheating - I thought I'd bring up this case again - of Georgia who earlier this decade, had committed some of the most laughably blatant, and horrific cheating ever seen...
            and their penalty that they got from NCAA, even thought they refused to cooperate and made a mockery of the entire process...was softer that schools like SEMO or BU get for inadvertently playing an ineligible player....
            --so we'll see if the trend continues....certainly the lag time and delay given to the big schools is so disproportionately long in comparison to how fast they nail the little guys...but I think we'll also see the same bias on how soft they go...

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            • #7
              And your point would be?

              The NCAA has been a sham organization for some time and their bias to the big money programs who break the rules is documented and well known.

              The only major NCAA program which was penalized severly for cheating is SMU. I think the resulting destruction of all of this institution's sports programs for almost 20 years after it was sanctioned has shown the NCAA it can't lower the boom on any other major athletic program for fear of the loss of future revenues to that school and the conference the school belongs too.

              Unless there is some legal action by member institutions who are discriminated against by the NCAA, or major gov interdiction into the NCAA and major college sports money machines, nothing will change. In fact, it may get worse as new super conferences form and the NCAA itself becomes irrelevant to these schools.

              Alas T, your ongoing crusade of calling out of the NCAA, and all its rogue major prorams, is in vain. After a while your new breaking stories of more corruption/graft in major sports programs, and the NCAA double standard re penalties with all things BU/Mid Major grow less interesting.

              You are the last gallant knight dueling with windmills
              BUilding for the Future

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              • #8
                Originally posted by AZ BU Fan View Post
                You are the last gallant knight dueling with windmills
                LMAO We now need to find his Dulcinea del Toboso!
                "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AZ BU Fan View Post
                  And your point would be?

                  The NCAA has been a sham organization for some time and their bias to the big money programs who break the rules is documented and well known.

                  .............

                  Alas T, your ongoing crusade of calling out of the NCAA, and all its rogue major prorams, is in vain. After a while your new breaking stories of more corruption/graft in major sports programs, and the NCAA double standard re penalties with all things BU/Mid Major grow less interesting.

                  You are the last gallant knight dueling with windmills
                  Ahhh - BS.

                  Let's not trivialize obvious and blatant crap just because T seems to be "the last one standing".

                  He doesn't just call out the NCAA. He calls out the Drive-By Media. In Bradley and Peoria's case - that's the local rag known as the PJ Star.

                  If only the local rag reported about Bradley's problems as well as educating their readers of similar problems and worse things elsewhere ... Then maybe he wouldn't have to "carry the torch".

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AZ BU Fan View Post
                    ...
                    Alas T, your ongoing crusade of calling out of the NCAA, and all its rogue major prorams, is in vain. ..
                    first - even if it was, then I still gotta do it....just for the sake of pointing out the inequity and unfairness of the NCAA


                    but - honestly I think it is actually working...and my examples are the many other major media people, especially the YahooSports people who have done a fine job recently trumpeting the massive violations at the big schools that the NCAA was ignoring...literally forcing NCAA into some action....
                    I kinda feel like this is a grassroots movement of bloggers and a few media folks asking for justice and fairness.

                    Also - by calling out those who pick on minor issues --- really, really minor things and try blow them into issues, I think we have embarrassed them and shut them up...
                    example there -- is when was the last time some national blogger picked on BU and called them a renegade program? Well, not only has it been a couple years, but those who did try to make a point of BU's minor problems have disgraced themselves with their idiocy and silliness and have totally missed the major stories like the ones going on at KU, UK, USC, UConn, etc...in fact they've gone a few steps further and disgraced themselves completely out of even being relevant...nobody even goes to that site any more and even trying to read the guy's ongoing rants makes you nauseated.
                    Likewise...the local press that was so prone to blowing a jaywalking violation on Bradley's campus into a 911-type story - they've been a whole lot friendlier to BU & BU's fans knowing that most Bradley fans now get their info online and not at the PJS any more.....

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                    • #11
                      WOW - here's a surprise...after a lot of press said the NCAA report on USC would be out this week...now the USC people say NO - it will not...


                      but does this surprise anyone....and does it even matter what the findings are...?
                      Even if the NCAA levels some big charges, they are undoubtedly going to give USC endless time (this whole case is already 5 years old) to review the charges, appeal them and answer them, then the NCAA will wait another year or two before pronouncing any penalty - and of course will issue a tiny slap on the hand as they have to all the other BCS schools caught cheating big time..

                      But many of us could be dead by the time it all unfolds, since nobody at NCAA wants any bad talk about their big money-maker USC...
                      this whole thing is a joke and acharade thus far - so why would we expect that to change...


                      PS - Portland State getting hammered..
                      Academic progress rate has a noble purpose, but it has brought penalties to smaller schools while Bowl Championship Series schools have been more successful at adapting.

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