ISU scrimmage

[LG281]

I travel quite a bit and log in from my blackberry all the time.

Having to scroll through their drivel (on my tiny screen) to get to the "content" is beyond annoying. Especially when all the majority of them do is come here to pick a fight with Tornado. (Why they have this obsession is beyond me.)

Alas, all are welcome on this site (unlike others)...so I suppose I'll just suck it up.

Cooksey - as far as I'm concerned, you're an ok fella in my book. You usually have something to contribute and I feel you are atleast marginally fair in calling a spade a spade.

[SaintLouBrave22]

Come on LG where's the sport as long as they behave civil I like the banter! It just will be that much sweeter when we beat their a$$. i still remember how sweet it was when we beat KU in the NCAA.

Guys this happens every year, why should now be any different...


Besides, I remember how much smack everyone was talkin when they had beat Creampuff and Cupcake U on the way to 12-0 and then came in here and got b*tch slapped...

[DannyCooksey]

According to DanneyCooksey, that's not going to happen this year.....

"I'm not big on predicting games that are 3 months away but all things being equal I think we sweep them this year and win by A LOT at Redbird Arena."

Then again, we are picked to finish in the bottom half of the Valley this year, so he's probably right.

Glad you are reading a great msg board Guth. Yep......I feel that way and I stand by it and it has nothing to do with pre-season rankings. I couldn't care less where you or the Birds are predicted in October. I'm simply confident in my team. Shouldn't all fans be??

[DannyCooksey]

I travel quite a bit and log in from my blackberry all the time.

Having to scroll through their drivel (on my tiny screen) to get to the "content" is beyond annoying. Especially when all the majority of them do is come here to pick a fight with Tornado. (Why they have this obsession is beyond me.)

Alas, all are welcome on this site (unlike others)...so I suppose I'll just suck it up.

Cooksey - as far as I'm concerned, you're an ok fella in my book. You usually have something to contribute and I feel you are atleast marginally fair in calling a spade a spade.

Thanks. I think?

[DannyCooksey]

then came in here and got b*tch slapped...

Hmmmm. Wasn't that a 3-4 point margin at the final horn?? To my best recollection the game wasn't determined until the final seconds. If that's a b*tch slap in your book I'd love to see your explanation of a close game.

I guess the Birds 4 point win in RA was a total evisceration of the bu squad?

[FlipEmTheBird]

Guys this happens every year, why should now be any different...


Besides, I remember how much smack everyone was talkin when they had beat Creampuff and Cupcake U on the way to 12-0 and then came in here and got b*tch slapped...

I am only going to rebuttle with fact. Remember that? I guess our creampuff schedule prepared us to finish better than BU.

Missouri Valley Conference
TEAM CONF. W-L OVERALL W-L
Creighton 14-4 26-7
Northern Iowa 14-4 23-10
Illinois State 11-7 24-9
Bradley 10-8 18-14
Evansville 8-10 17-13
Wichita State 8-10 16-16
Southern Illinois 8-10 13-18
Drake 7-11 17-15
Indiana State 7-11 11-21
Missouri State 3-15 11-20

[amckillip]

Hmmmm. Wasn't that a 3-4 point margin at the final horn?? To my best recollection the game wasn't determined until the final seconds. If that's a b*tch slap in your book I'd love to see your explanation of a close game.

I guess the Birds 4 point win in RA was a total evisceration of the bu squad?

I think it was more of the fact that your players were talking about an undefeated season after playing cupcakes -you walk into Carver, against a BU team without it's top returning scorer, while students are on break, and lose....

[DannyCooksey]

I don't quite understand where all the "we finally will have 2 competitive teams on the floor" attitude.

I've looked at the past 16 seasons (cause that is as far as Jerry Palm's RPI data goes and I am a subscriber to his site).

I guess Bradley wasn't considered "competitive" in the past couple seasons while ISU went to the NIT? But in those last two seasons, we've split the games by winning on home floors with a combined total of 13 points (in 4 games ). That's pretty competitive basketball IMO.

So I just don't get the whole "we FINALLY have 2 competitive teams on the floor".

NO NO NO

I was referring to ISU finally being competitive again the last 2 years after being terrible for most of this decade. To bu's credit they have been competitive for most of the last 10 years. For the 1st time in many years (in my world anyway) both programs are legit Valley title contenders at the same time and that hasn't often been the case of late.

fire away

[SaintLouBrave22]

I think it was more of the fact that your players were talking about an undefeated season after playing cupcakes -you walk into Carver, against a BU team without it's top returning scorer, while students are on break, and lose....

Thats exactly what I meant.

[amckillip]

I am only going to rebuttle with fact. Remember that?

Here's an interesting fact, the last four years BU is 6-2 against ILSU... I'm sure that's a bit harder to remember... Or that you guys haven't won a game at Carver since '01-'02 season...

[DannyCooksey]

I think it was more of the fact that your players were talking about an undefeated season after playing cupcakes -you walk into Carver, against a BU team without it's top returning scorer, while students are on break, and lose....

Rivalry game. Anything can happen. Clearly at that point in the season bu was the toughest team ISU had played especially at home which is very tough for the road team to win. Even the most ardent ISU fans knew walking out of Carver with a win was going to be very, very tough.

As for the undefeated season talk? A reporter asked a 21 year old kid a question and he gave an honest answer. If you think for a minute if bu starts out 10-0 this season and someone asks a prominent member of the team the same question that the answer will be any different you are quite naive. And if the answer was any different I'd be upset as a fan.

[FlipEmTheBird]

Here's an interesting fact, the last four years BU is 6-2 against ILSU... I'm sure that's a bit harder to remember... Or that you guys haven't won a game at Carver since '01-'02 season...

I thought we were just talking about last season. No doubt you have a better recent history against us. No one is arguing that. You claim we have a creampuff schedule, yet we still finished better last year. That's all.

[amckillip]

Rivalry game. Anything can happen. Clearly at that point in the season bu was the toughest team ISU had played especially at home which is very tough for the road team to win. Even the most ardent ISU fans knew walking out of Carver with a win was going to be very, very tough.

As for the undefeated season talk? A reporter asked a 21 year old kid a question and he gave an honest answer. If you think for a minute if bu starts out 10-0 this season and someone asks a prominent member of the team the same question that the answer will be any different you are quite naive. And if the answer was any different I'd be upset as a fan.

I'd agree with every point except the last. I always want my players looking at just the next game, not looking ahead. Which is often, VERY difficult, but it's what great players do, that being said, expecting that out of a college age individual is sometimes unreasonable.

[DannyCooksey]

Here's an interesting fact, the last four years BU is 6-2 against ILSU... I'm sure that's a bit harder to remember... Or that you guys haven't won a game at Carver since '01-'02 season...

Here's another fact.......6-2 but trending DOWNWARD since they are 2-2 in their last 4 after winning 4 straight. Numbers can be turned around in any direction you want.

That's like an SIU fan saying they beat ISU 10 straight earlier this decade (which they did) but ignoring the fact they've lost 4 straight including 2 straight at SIU Arena which is a brutal place for the opposition to win. Once again.......you can turn numbers anyway you want.

[amckillip]

Here's another fact.......6-2 but trending DOWNWARD since they are 2-2 in their last 4 after winning 4 straight. Numbers can be turned around in any direction you want.

That's like an SIU fan saying they beat ISU 10 straight earlier this decade (which they did) but ignoring the fact they've lost 4 straight including 2 straight at SIU Arena which is a brutal place for the opposition to win. Once again.......you can turn numbers anyway you want.

No, its over the past 4 years period , I'm OK with 2-2.

For he who is predicting a sweep, arguing about trends is probably not your strongest point. What is it for BU 8 years in a row at Carver? I think both teams are formidable, but when ISU lost its leading scorer, and only finished 1 game above BU, predicting a sweep is a little presumptuous, as well is acting as if ISU has been much better than BU lately...