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    We might not know the outcome and the rules require the scrimmage to be closed and no reports or stats...

    but most of you will remember this...
    "Michael Beasley...had scored 42 points and grabbed 12 rebounds in a closed scrimmage against Marquette"


    so word does sometimes leak out...


    Anyway....let's get the discussion going on DePaul..
    they are pretty widely picked 16th in the Big East, and their projected starting five is a bit debatable because of their lack of experience......

    there are two guys that'll be starting for sure.....
    Will Walker - their only senior - will start for sure, he led them in scoring at 14.6 ppg
    Mac Koshwal - leads in rebounding, 9.6 rpg, and had 12.2 ppg.
    then the other starters will come from these guys...


    Krys Faber - at center, if they want to go large, but he only played 8 min per game and averaged 1.8 ppg.

    but the rest...
    Jeremiah Kelly started 8 games, and is a good PG, but not a scorer, shooting 32% from the floor and 29% from 3-pt, averaging only 4.3 ppg.
    Devin Hill, Mike Bizoukas, Mario Stula - all got chances to start and play last year but were very disappointing.
    Hill hit on only 31% of shots - terrible for a guy who takes a lot of his shots close in, and he did try some 3-pointers and was 8-48, 16%
    Bizoukas is the kid DePaul lured away from UNI, and I suspect the kid wishes now he'd have stayed with UNI! He played 15 mpg last year,
    but only hit 30% overall and 17% from 3-pt, 2.0 ppg.
    Stula was hailed as a great 3-pt shooter coming out of Decatur Christian HS but hasn't shown it in college. He only hits 25% from the floor and 27% from 3-pt, and his scoring and rebounding are almost non-existent.
    Eric Wallace is a very athletic SF - transfer from Ohio State and will play some, but in his frosh season at OSU averaged 1.8 ppg.

    Their best newcomer might be Mike Stovall juco transfer who averaged a whopping 8 ppg and 3 rpg at juco last year....hitting an astounding 16% from 3-pt range as a 6-4 shooting guard! Stovall started at Oregon State but did poorly there as a freshman, 0.9 ppg.
    Tony Freeland is a freshman, SF, from California, he may be the most likely newcomer to get much playing time.
    Their other newcomers (Jimmy Drew-transfer from SEMO, Nate Rogers-turned down a scholarship from Chicago State to walk on at DePaul, and a couple other walk ons) are not likely to play a lot.


    so what does everyone think..

    I think this will be a decent test...
    and we need this kind of thing to prepare us...banging against a big body like Koshwal and playing on the road...
    I would not be bothered if we lose but I think we'd have to play really bad to do so...but I know the coaches want to use this to develop and not necessarily just play the starters and eke out a win behind closed doors.

  • #2
    In his HOT SEAT column, Gary Parrish of CBSSports thinks DePaul will fire Jerry Wainwright and hire Isiah Thomas..
    a guy who has yet to ever coach a college game in his life!


    he also mentions Craig Robinson as possible replacement for Wainwright, but Robinson has been head coach only 3 seasons and has a career record of 48-46....and only one winning seasons...
    Wainwright at least had 8 NCAA D-I winning seasons before comig to DePaul.

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    • #3
      Word has it that the likely starting lineup will be;

      6'1 Kelly
      6'0 Walker
      6'6 Wallace
      6'9 Hill
      6'10 Koshwal

      So backcourt is going to be short and the 3/4 are pretty unproven.

      Jeremiah Kelly is actually a pretty decent shooter, though his form is kinda odd (shoots from the side). He is not a threat to penetrate, as he has a slight build and would probably be broken in half if he drove.

      Devin Hill is a 6'1 shooter trapped in a 6'9 body. 37% of his shot attempts came from three last year, which is about 20% too much. Similar to Kelly, his build is slight and would really benefit from adding 15/20 pounds.

      Stovall has been getting praise from various people who have seen him this fall, but that is always the case each fall, and yet when the season starts, nothing special.

      If Koshwal or Walker get neutralized, DePaul is up a creek with no paddle. Realistically, those two may the only certain Big East talent players on DePaul, with the rest being question marks or known sub-Big East talents.

      Bradley should likely school DePaul in this scrimmage, but unlike years past, the DePaul coaches will be furious with stupid play.

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      • #4
        Thanks...I think DePaul is on the right track with David Booth and Tracy Webster....
        they should get the ball rolling like Jerrance Howard did at Illinois in getting local kids to want to play at DePaul...

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        • #5
          Jerrance could sell the kids on the 2005 Final Four... Tracy and David could sell the kids on............ playing in the Big East?

          Goes without saying the past few years have been really frustrating as a DePaul fan. While Jerry is not my favorite person, my personal feeling is that keys to this mess were relieved of their duties early this spring.

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          • #6
            Here is DePaul's roster-


            It shows freshman Tony Freeland, but he is not cleared to play.

            And here is a Chicago Tribune article previewing the DePaul team-

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            • #7
              DePaul preview

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tornado View Post
                We might not know the outcome and the rules require the scrimmage to be closed and no reports or stats...

                but most of you will remember this...
                "Michael Beasley...had scored 42 points and grabbed 12 rebounds in a closed scrimmage against Marquette"


                so word does sometimes leak out...
                ...but that is the BCS, the NCAA gladly turned their head.

                If we leak out that Ned scored 9 on a 3-3 performance in garbage minutes, then BOOM, the NCAA death sentance slams down on us.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ph View Post
                  ...but that is the BCS, the NCAA gladly turned their head.

                  If we leak out that Ned scored 9 on a 3-3 performance in garbage minutes, then BOOM, the NCAA death sentance slams down on us.
                  Exactly... and I will gladly help delete anything mentioned. That said - if I miss something, you (and others) can PM me (and other Mods) and help point out the comments needed to be deleted.

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                  • #10
                    DePaul coach in the hot seat - Sun Times

                    "I know I'm on about 15 lists of coaches on the hot seat,'' Wainwright said at DePaul's media day Tuesday."

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                    • #11
                      I just read a discussion in the Big East that Jerry Wainwright has basically destroyed Mac Koshwal's chances of playing in the NBA.

                      since the kid was in junior high and certainly since his freshman season at DePaul, there's been talk of Koshwal being a future NBA'er..

                      But this season has the NBA people questioning..
                      first because even tho he's averaging 14/11, this isn't much different than when he was a freshman...he appears to have little upside...no room for improvement.
                      Then, he has no outside shot and sure won't make much of a living in the NBA at 6-8 if he can't step out and shoot...he only hit about 50% and 48% from the FT line.
                      Koshwal's productiveness drops once he actually plays against big men in the Big East. He builds his stats largely against the plethora of bad teams on DePaul's schedule.
                      Lastly now his durability is being questioned...since DePaul has little else, Coach Wainwright is overusing mac and it's hurting the guy and he's missing games due to injury for the first time.


                      Also -- backup PG for DePaul, Mike Bizoukas is likely out for the year with a knee injury.

                      all of this leads to surprisingly LOW expectations...
                      even the official DePaul press release prior to their next game vs. Gerogetown, seems like it's already a given they are going to lose, all the want to hope for is to "hang tough".

                      read the release...
                      "..DePaul faces one of the top teams in the country at Allstate Arena.
                      If they can approach coach Jerry Wainwright's expectations, the Blue Demons
                      could hang tough with No. 13 Georgetown in their 1 p.m. BIG EAST Conference home opener."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tornado View Post
                        I just read a discussion in the Big East that Jerry Wainwright has basically destroyed Mac Koshwal's chances of playing in the NBA.

                        since the kid was in junior high and certainly since his freshman season at DePaul, there's been talk of Koshwal being a future NBA'er..

                        But this season has the NBA people questioning..
                        first because even tho he's averaging 14/11, this isn't much different than when he was a freshman...he appears to have little upside...no room for improvement.
                        Then, he has no outside shot and sure won't make much of a living in the NBA at 6-8 if he can't step out and shoot...he only hit about 50% and 48% from the FT line.
                        Koshwal's productiveness drops once he actually plays against big men in the Big East. He builds his stats largely against the plethora of bad teams on DePaul's schedule.
                        Lastly now his durability is being questioned...since DePaul has little else, Coach Wainwright is overusing mac and it's hurting the guy and he's missing games due to injury for the first time.
                        I don't think Jerry Wainwright's a great coach or anything, but what about that says that the coach is the problem... Maybe the kid just isn't that good?
                        My sports blog.

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                        • #13
                          agree the kid has limitations, but he has never developed beyond what he was as a high schooler
                          if failure to develop is alleged at BU, then it is always the coach's fault!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by thefish7 View Post
                            I don't think Jerry Wainwright's a great coach or anything, but what about that says that the coach is the problem... Maybe the kid just isn't that good?
                            The NBA draft status is all based on projections. No one in the NBA gives a crap about how they developed in college.

                            Jerry Wainright is a good coach in a bad situation. I don't see any coach going to Depaul and making them a Big East Power.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Garland 22 View Post
                              No one in the NBA gives a crap about how they developed in college.
                              but they care infinitely whether the kid has the possibility or probability of developing after he leaves there..
                              Mac is suspected to possibly be as old as 24, 25, 26, or even older...he may have already reached his full potential.
                              (don't believe what's posted on DePaul web site...remember, in 2000 he enrolled in junior high in Chicago but was not eligible because he'd already been out of elementary school in Canada for more than a year..
                              he and his guardians, including HS coach Loren Jackson were found to have lied and falsified his documents to hide the fact that even as a freshman in high school in Chicago, he was already too old to be playing high school ball.
                              He was rumored to already be possibly 18 or 19 when he arrived at Chicago Julian HS...that would make him 26 or 27 now)

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