2 Louisville BBall players arrested

[tornado]

hey-- I have no real interest in this case, the Purdue case, nor any of the others, except to consistently point out,
that the violations are ALWAYS penalized less despite being more severe violations at EVERY other institution cited,
than at BU. Every BU incident was penalized sufficiently and adequately, and all these others both in and outside of the Valley all got off
horribly easier even though the violations were far MORE severe, malicious, attacking police, DUI's, drugs, etc....
Bottom line, the the rare Peoria incidents were minor yet got major league scrutiny and criticism, yet were handled quite properly.
...end of argument.....BU is as far down on the renegade scale as ISU's non-conference SOS is on the D-I scale...

[KillerB]

Killer B whatever! I said I do not care what others think about this. I'm sure they were over zealous cops with an agenda. I've seen cops with attitude go after a little old lady before because she had the gall to tell them they were over reacting. It took their precinct captain to come out and tell the two cops, especially one of them, that he was getting out of hand and to cool it.

Also this country besides the special interest is influenced by some real puritanical tyrants. I guess I'm just not a follower of the letter of the law but the spirit. When the truth comes out, if it comes out we'll know for sure.

If you have some proof there were over zealous cops with an agenda I am sure we would all love to see or hear what you have. Otherwise you are just spouting off with nothing to back it up. What you saw a cop do to a little old lady in some other part of the country has no relationship to this case at all.

And if want to raise the voting age to 21.. I'll vote with you. Sorry to say I have seen too many younger adults do too many stupid things involving alcohol. Age doesn't prevent you from doing the same.. but I do less stupid things now than when I was 17.. 18.. 19.. 20.. 21 and so on.

Make and intelligent arguement and we can have a good discussion.

[BU RICK]

All I'm going to say is God Bless the Cops. If it wasn't for them we'd be in big, big trouble.

[SFP]

All I'm going to say is God Bless the Cops. If it wasn't for them we'd be in big, big trouble.

Yea, if you say so! I'm not going down this hole. I'm just against a police state and anything approaching an Orwellian scenario. I'm a pure Libertarian, so less government in all aspects to me is a great thing.

About the other issues of youth, why are they dieing in foreign lands then. I'd suspect that they are to young. Also there are other societies that do not have the same drinking problems as us. Maybe the reason is that it is out in the open so kids are not secretly abusing it. Just maybe our draconian laws are not really doing what we want them to do.

[SFP]

"Jennings and senior guard Jerry Smith were taken into custody by Jeffersonville police following a confrontation with off-duty officers at an alumni homecoming party early Sunday morning."

Off duty and they still had to put their nose in it! I have a feeling there will be lawyers involved. TASER! Somone should have tested those cops for drugs and alcohol.

[lefty]

I would venture a guess that these two guys ventured into the wrong small, 82% white, town in Southern Indiana. I'll bet more will come out on this showing the players did little or nothing wrong.... Just a guess.

I have to admit B4L.....I really like that T shirt

[KillerB]

Yea, if you say so! I'm not going down this hole. I'm just against a police state and anything approaching an Orwellian scenario. I'm a pure Libertarian, so less government in all aspects to me is a great thing.

About the other issues of youth, why are they dieing in foreign lands then. I'd suspect that they are to young. Also there are other societies that do not have the same drinking problems as us. Maybe the reason is that it is out in the open so kids are not secretly abusing it. Just maybe our draconian laws are not really doing what we want them to do.

What do the deaths of soldiers in the military have to so with anything in this link? And please.. what other societies have less problems with drinking than the U.S. with more open laws? What are you basing this on? SFP you make blanket statements like they are facts. Let's see something to back it up.

And as far as off duty cops "sticking their noses in".. police officers are still supposed to enforce the laws whether they are on duty or not.

[SFP]

Killer B if you have not lived in another country where they have more liberal drinking laws, then you will have missed my point. There are plenty of examples. All of Europe, S.A. We could go to the extreme though like in the middle east where there are very little if any drinking laws.

As for the cops "sticking their nose in." I bet more will come up in this incident. Let's leave it at that for the time.

I also have a few cop friends that I play ball with. They are all older and had other professions prior to being officers. They all say that the young ones do go around with a chip on their shoulder because they are trained that way. It takes a bit of maturity and checking your ego when you put on the uniform not to come across as a egomaniac or when you should just not push things.

[BU RICK]

Why not get out and enjoy the nice weather for a few days. For me, I have to stay in for the next 24 hours - big earnings report coming out tomorrow at 8:00 EST (C) I'm long the stock, it could move either way, wish me luck.

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USCA0987.html

BTW, Citigroup is one of the banks that the government put billions of dollars in to bailout. It is my understanding that the government owns billions of shares of Citigroup at about $3.25/share, the price right now is $4.95/share. So at least for now, we the taxpayers are not doing too bad. The government could come out really looking good after the bailouts, only time will tell, from what I read money is being paid back.

[KillerB]

As far as young cops having a chip & trying to prove themselves.. is that the case here? Again do you know something the rest of us should? Give us something other than your suspicions.

As for Europe and younger drinking ages.. please share. Does that younger drinking age mean lower alcoholism rates.. fewer drunk driving crashes.. fewer health problems later in life?

[SFP]

http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/2640/topic.htm

Just one of many studies! Facts you want, here they are!

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/05/25/049276.html

Another study finds that there has been an increase in drunk driving deaths and all this after the laws have gotten tougher.

I'm not for drunk driving at all and believe drunk drivers need to pay but how we prevent drunk driving to take place from the get go is really the question. In Europe, except England and certain events, most people regard getting out of hand as something extremely juvenile, even for college age kids. You rarely see young adults in Europe getting extremely drunk like US college age kids. I went to HS in a place where you learned how to socially drink so when I was at BU I was shocked to find all my dorm mates making sweet love to the porcelain goddess at their age. Is it better to be exposed to alcohol from your parents or from your young peers?

[KillerB]

SFP, your first study uses the following source for its statistics:

"A number of statistics were found that correlated drug addiction levels in various European countries. The following chart was created by information offered by the medical marijuana magazine."

Not my favorite source.. but this is interesting about alcoholism rates from Encyclopedia Britanica:
"Estimates of the prevalence of alcoholism vary depending on the definition used and upon the methods of estimation. In the United States 10 to 20 percent of men and 5 to 10 percent of women at some point in their lives will meet criteria for alcoholism, depending on the stringency of the criteria employed. These rates are similar to the rates for many countries in western Europe, and the rates are a little higher in eastern European countries. Rates in countries around the eastern Mediterranean and in Southeast Asia are much lower. Overall, rates in Africa are low, but they are very high in the new urban slums.

Variations in the definition of alcoholism, however, make it difficult to compare rates in different countries. In England and Wales, estimates of the prevalence of alcoholism have suggested rates that range from 1.1 to 11 percent, and in Switzerland the suggested rates range from 2.2 to 13 percent. The prevalence of alcoholism in France has been estimated at as high as 15 percent of the adult population, but more conservative estimates suggest 9 percent.

In Portugal, with one of the highest per capita alcohol-consumption rates in the world, did not even recognize alcoholism as a problem until the late 20th century. In the mid-20th century, the death of Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin resulted in a shift from official denial that any significant alcohol problem existed in the Soviet Union to an outcry that alcoholism involved 40 percent of adult males. In both circumstances, however, statistics were inadequate. In short, there is a strong subjective element in statistics of alcoholism. In addition, comparative data invariably fail to take account of changes in diagnostic policies and whether illicit, untaxed alcoholic beverages are included in estimates of national consumption."


**regarding your drunk driving stats:
On average someone is killed by a drunk driver every 45 minutes. In 2008, an estimated 11,773 people died in drunk driving related crashes??”a decline of 9.8 percent from the 13,041 drunk driving related fatalities of 2007.
These deaths constitute 31.6 percent of the 37,261 total traffic fatalities in 2008. (Source: NHTSA, 2009)

In 2007, an estimated 12,998 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes1 ??“ a decline of 3.7 percent from the 13,491 fatalities in 2006.
(Source: NHTSA-2007 Traffic Safety Annual Assessment)

Traffic fatalities in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes fell by 0.8 percent, from 13,582 in 2005 to 13,470 in 2006. The 13,470 alcohol-impaired-driving fatalities in 2006 were almost the same as compared to 13,451 alcohol-impaired-driving fatalities reported in 1996.
(source NHTSA-2006 Traffic Safety Annual Assessment)

[SFP]

I guess we both find it as a problem in our society but we differ on how it should be handled. My experiences tend to be a bit more on the side of putting it out there in a controlled environment for young adults, so their habits can be controlled. Yours is more of managing the substance so they cannot legally use it but we all know they will anyway. This tends to take the problem away from the vigilance of adults who possibly can council them to be responsible. Cultural differences is all we have here. I do understand your view point and respect it but just not going to agree that it is the best way to solve the issue. Probably a high-bred approach would be best!

[Braves4Life]

I guess we both find it as a problem in our society but we differ on how it should be handled. My experiences tend to be a bit more on the side of putting it out there in a controlled environment for young adults, so their habits can be controlled. Yours is more of managing the substance so they cannot legally use it but we all know they will anyway. This tends to take the problem away from the vigilance of adults who possibly can council them to be responsible. Cultural differences is all we have here. I do understand your view point and respect it but just not going to agree that it is the best way to solve the issue. Probably a high-bred approach would be best!

I think in cultures where you have a strong and stable family unit with strong family values the "SFP model" makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, America has seen the total collapse of the traditional family unit and family values over the last 30 years or so. Therefore, I doubt that this would work in this country. We're already too far gone as a society..... Sadly

[SFP]

I think in cultures where you have a strong and stable family unit with strong family values the "SFP model" makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, America has seen the total collapse of the traditional family unit and family values over the last 30 years or so. Therefore, I doubt that this would work in this country. We're already too far gone as a society..... Sadly

Say it is not so! I believe we can get back to the values that made this country great! I guess we all need to do our part. Let's start with eliminating entitlements that were never earned, build an economy and political system built for the middle class.