Anyone getting nervous???

[Nacho]

duhh....yeah...that means they weren't going to be able to use a scholarship on him, thus his ride is not only open for 2008-2009 but also for 2009-2010...
make sense now?
you need to settle down and let others have an opinion..this is a message board and full of others' opinions.

I have no problem with people posting opinions... it just seems you are stating that it is a fact that Odzic was "sent packing"...

Also, if Jank knew there were questions about Smith's eligibility, wouldn't you expect him to keep recruiting?

That was one of Porter's major mistakes. When Dodie de-committed from ISU, he had NO backup plan what-so-ever. ISU had no point guard for several years under him. Every coach in the country offers more scholarships then they have available. It is a must...

And I still can't tell if you are saying your "opinion" is that Jank was happy and was pushing for the NCAA to rule against Smith's test scores or not?

[tornado]

I have no problem with people posting opinions... it just seems you are stating that it is a fact that Odzic was "sent packing"...

Also, if Jank knew there were questions about Smith's eligibility, wouldn't you expect him to keep recruiting?

That was one of Porter's major mistakes. When Dodie de-committed from ISU, he had NO backup plan what-so-ever. ISU had no point guard for several years under him. Every coach in the country offers more scholarships then they have available. It is a must...

And I still can't tell if you are saying your "opinion" is that Jank was happy and was pushing for the NCAA to rule against Smith's test scores or not?

I am entitled to believe the facts I choose to believe...consider this...

never, ever once has Bradley continued to recruit, offer scholarships, and accept verbals,
and even sign kids to LOI's for scholarships that they DO NOT HAVE available or open...
or for scholarships that BU already has kids on campus filling....
but it is a proven fact that Tim Jankovich does exactly that, so he is "overrecruiting" (Tom Crean does this constantly)
and will be required to Crean his roster and Jank some of the scholarship players' ride. (send them PACKING)
Facts are indeed facts........

Speaking of overrecruiting....It has already been reported (from a highly reliable recruiting site) that despite having NO scholarships available as we speak, and already having a ton of walk ons who are supposedly promised the possibility of a scholarship in the future...
that Jank is pursuing the expelled Diamond Taylor.

[BostonBird]

"Speaking of overrecruiting....It has already been reported (from a highly reliable recruiting site) that despite having NO scholarships available as we speak, and already having a ton of walk ons who are supposedly promised the possibility of a scholarship in the future...that Jank is pursuing the expelled Diamond Taylor."

Two incorrect statements here:

1. ISU currently has one scholarship open for next year. This includes all of the current eligible scholarship players returning and moving juco transfer Tony Lewis and D1 transfer Trey Blue from walk-ons to scholarship players. So, I should hope that Jank is continuing to recruit.

2. Diamond Taylor was not expelled, he left school. In fact, you used the phrase "Left school" yourself in a previous post. Also, if he had stayed, would he have been expelled? That doesn't look correct either as Glover, the other player in the incident who is still at Wisconsin has not been expelled.

[Braves4Life]

.....and will be required to Crean his roster and Jank some of the scholarship players' ride. (send them PACKING)

Classic! I love this! Maybe you should send these terms and definitions into Webster's to make it a part of the English language. Lesser words and slangs have been included

[ph]

I guess it depends what "recruiting" means.
While I'm glad BU does not seem to be accepting verbals/LOI's until they have an open scholie, I'm sure our coaching staff has learned their lesson in the school of hard knocks from enough departures (i.e NBA) and other situations (i.e XC, Brown) that you can never be done actively searching and building/keeping rapport with recruits until the season begins.

[tornado]

Boston Bird...how can ISU land Diamond Taylor unless they have a scholarship right NOW....or are you saying they are going to ask him to come to ISU, walk on and pay his own way this year, then maybe get a ride next year?

Nope-- ain't gonna happen...the kid was a talented player and will get 20-30 offers for his services and can have his pick where they'll get him on scholarship this year. And again...if you want to believe Taylor left Wisconsin without any urging whatsoever, then fine with me, but I am not so naive.

and your point about Glover is what??? By even mentioning him you are kinda fortifying my point...because Glover never was on a basketball scholarship, so by getting kicked off the team his situation with the university doesn't really change does it? He can stay in school, continue to draw any academic or other scholarship aid but he won't play ball.
Taylor on the other hand, WAS on scholarship, so for him to leave on his own would be silly since he'd be giving up tens of thousands of $$ of what's already his.
So IF he is leaving I have to believe it is because he has been given no option and won't have his scholarship....
which leads to the next point...he won't have to pick a next school until at least December, although I have no idea how long he'll wait...
...he can wait 'til then and still enroll where they have a scholarship immediately for him and he will not be eligible until midyear next year anyway.

[Nacho]

I am entitled to believe the facts I choose to believe...consider this...

never, ever once has Bradley continued to recruit, offer scholsrships, and accept verbals,
and even sign kids to LOI's for scholarships that they DO NOT HAVE available or open...
or for scholarships that BU already has kids on campus filing....
but it is a proven fact that Tim Jankovich does exactly that, so he is "overrecruiting" (Tom Crean does this constantly)
and will be required to Crean his roster and Jank some of the scholarship players' ride. (send them PACKING)
Facts are indeed facts........

Speaking of overrecruiting....It has already been reported (from a highly reliable recruiting site) that despite having NO scholarships available as we speak, and already having a ton of walk ons who are supposedly promised the possibility of a scholarship in the future...
that Jank is pursuing the expelled Diamond Taylor.

Suppose that Odzic told Jank during the 08-09 season that he was planning on graduation and was not going to be returning for the 09-2010 season... should Jank not recruit for that scholarship that will be open? Is that not a possibility?

Same with Kenyon Smith. Jank obviously had an idea that it was possiblity that Smith was not going to be ruled eligible. Why not keep recruiting just in case... the exact thing that Porter did NOT do. Once he has his commitments, he stoped recruiting. Why would you not continue to recruit "backup plans". Tell the recruits they are currently full on scholarship but would still love to have them on the team as a walk-on, and if a scholarship opens, they have a chance to earn it.

It happens in football all the time. Preferred walk-ons are given the chance to earn scholarships as they open up. Sure there are 6 or 7 times the scholarship available to for football teams, but it is the same concept... is it not?

What is wrong with recruiting kids to walk-on that are "supposedly promised the possbility of a scholarship in the future". Anything is a possibility is it not?

[tornado]

suppose OJ really is innocent?
suppose NASA really did fake the moon landings??

D-I ball is a dog eat dog world....nobody will blame Jank for doing what he has to do...he's just trying to win...
Tom Crean is overrecruiting and recruiting over everyone, and nobody seems to care...as really all they actually care about some places is winning...
When they needed an extra scholarship last spring, Crean even ran off (sent packing) Nick Williams, a kid Crean had even talked into coming over from Marquette. But keeping Nick came 2nd to getting another scholarship when a 4-Star kid had IU interest.
or did we not see that in the way all the Kelvin Sampson kids were thrown under the bus..
BU however does value the relationships with the kids and signing kids to LOI's for scholarships that are already spoken for just won't happen at BU...but you're free to defend anywhere else that it does happen.
the kids, as we have seen a lot, get stepped on from time to time, it happens a lot of places....

[Nacho]

suppose OJ really is innocent?
suppose NASA really did fake the moon landings??

You are assuming that Jank booted Odzic and Smith (still haven't figured out what you mean with Smith... Jank really wanted the NCAA to rule against him?... not sure you never answered that question).

I am saying there are other possibilities. You told me to settle down as everyone is entitled to their opinion on a message board. Now I give a suggestion on what could have happened, and you mock me by talking about OJ and NASA. Why doesn't it work both ways? I already know you are going to believe what you want, and I will do the same, but the comment quoted above seems unnecessary IMO. No?

[tornado]

Nacho- you dissed me for offering opinions, then you offer "suppose"....

as for Smith...is he still at ISU?

I suspect you know he is not, thus "eligible" or not (and there was talk that he'd stay and be back on scholarship in 2009-2010) he didn't hang around and would have had to pack his bags, right??

[Nacho]

Nacho- you disses me for offering opinions, then you offer "suppose"....

I did not diss you for offering opinions... I simply offered a different opinion and other possiblities...and I got mocked. Where those opinions and possiblities out of the question? I sure don't think so...

as for Smith...is he still at ISU?

I suspect you know he is not, thus "eligible" or not (and there was talk that he'd stay and be back on scholarship in 2009-2010) he didn't hang around and would have had to pack his bags, right??

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9072772/ISU&

Smith transferred to Lincoln College in January so he could practice and play the following year. This article says was going to practice in the 09 season and play the following year (09-10 this coming season). He could not have no basketball activities if he stayed at ISU. Why would he have done that?

So therefore, if he was to be re-recruited by ISU and re-commit (similar to what Bobby Hill did), it would not be until the 2010-2011 season. While I have not heard if this is the case, this is what was reporting in January. He was not on the 08-09 roster, as it was stated he would not play, and the 09-10 roster is not updated on their website.

I just can't understand how you can believe that Jank was happy the NCAA ruled against his test score.

The NCAA ruled his scores were ok... then changed their mind and ruled him ineligible. Jank would have no say in this...

[tornado]

I know nothing of his test score...you are giving me credit for caring way more about his history at ISU than I do..
but he was recruited there, unpacked his stuff, then packed it back up and went elsewhere when he found he was not going to get a scholarship.

BTW- are you bothered that some players at Simeon caused great trouble for the schools they went to because their test scores were "flagged" and then disqualified because someone else actually took the test for them?

[Nacho]

I know nothing of his test score...you are giving me credit for caring way more about his history at ISU than I do..
but he was recruited there, unpacked his stuff, then packed it back up and went elsewhere when he found he was not going to get a scholarship.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!! You would rather have an ineligible player remain in school, not be able to do any basketball activities for a year, as opposed to enrolling in a juco, be able to practice, and play the following year, and have a new opportunity to play Division 1 ball at your school or somewhere else? Would you ever expect a coach to tell that player to stay at school and simply not play any basketball for a year? Are there any examples of that? If so, I am sure you will find them, but I cannot imagine there are many at all.

BTW- are you bothered that some players at Simeon caused great trouble for the schools they went to because their test scores were "flagged" and then disqualified because someone else actually took the test for them?

Yes that is troubling, but like everything else speculative on this board (and all message boards) no one knows what happened there except the players themselves. Your opinion is normally students from other schools can do no right and students at BU can do no wrong so I wouldn't expect any different in this case either... And that is my opinion of your opinions!

[Da Coach]

Moderator intervention-
OK, everyone appears to have stated their opinion- this topic is about Bradley basketball.

Please continue your discussion by PM or email if you wish, but the last several posts are way off topic here.

[tornado]

...You would rather have an ineligible player remain in school...

Are there any examples of that?

getting back to the topic...I will use Daniel Ruffin as an example...but there are others.
He (Ruffin) stayed at BU, worked his way back to full eligibility and was a great get for Bradley..