PJ Star article- Taylor Brown

[Da Coach]

New article by Dave Reynolds-
It covers Coach Les at the Hall of Fame inductions at the invitation of inductee John Stockton, and a little more about the Taylor Brown incident.

http://www.bradleyhoops.com/homepage/x581524045/Bradley-coach-in-house-for-Hall-inductions

[Chico]

You know thats completely true, but come on lets go back to when we both were 21. Some guy is pushing you constantly, showing up and essentially taunting you continually, then you end up near each other and I am sure words are said, regardless of your stature or status there is a limit. And personally, I think Brown did show restraint by only splitting the guys lip. Very few men would just take it and take it and not respond.

And in the culture of college athletics, being a man and peer pressure no man especially an athlete is going to allow himself to be disrespected infront of others. Yes in a perfect Leave it to Beaver world everyone walks away but in the real world, well most men, do not walk away from confrontation. And again if you are an athlete you do not allow someone to show you up infront of anyone.

After reading your last 2 posts it appears you know what is at the root of all this nonsense and the other guy was the instigator. Tell us more.

[shaunguth]

BTW- unless you are talking about someone other then Osiris... all of his traffic tickets were speeding, seat belts, and operating and uninsured motor vehicle.... so he didn't have his insurance card with him... If he truly didn't have insurance, they he would have had his license suspended... but clearly did not or he would have been ticketed/arrested for that during his last stop...

I am not lawyer but none of those are misdemeanor's...

Looks like McLean County disagrees.......

Disposition Information
Case Number 2007TR017750 for OSIRIS ELDRIDGE, born on June 18, 1988

Sep 24, 2007 UNLAWFUL DISPLAY TITLE/CERTIFICATE/PLATES-1ST Criminal Misdemeanor Guilty Plea

Total Assessed Amount:$425.00 Total Amount Paid: $425.00


I'm sure this was reported on the front page of the B/N newspaper!

[tornado]

.... In fact the whole team has about 20 tickets in the last 2 years. ...

first....I don't mind an occasional reference to another team for comparison sake, but that's not the intended topic here...

but second....jason, you are way, way underrepresenting the court visits for the ISU players.
It's way more than 20 over a couple year span...that span has at least a couple DUI's, at least one underage drinking, and a couple caught driving without valid licenses..
but-- using the public access, you can find that THIRTEEN different members of their roster have TWENTY ONE different court dates

----JUST between the middle of August, '09 and the end of October, '09!!!!!
Seriously, 20+ court dates in a 2 month present span....
and this isn't going back more than a couple weeks.....

8/13
8/19
8/24
8/26
8/26
8/31
9/01
9/09
9/09
9/19
9/23
9/23
9/25
9/30
9/30
9/30
10/1
10/05
10/13
10/26
10/26
plus there's also one set out in November '09 for a guy who now lives out of town...and a couple who are now under failure to appear summonses...

and BTW-- from their own website, the county says most of the ordinance violations are alcohol related offenses.

[Nacho]

Why is it always a comparison of school vs. school and violations vs. violations?

So since other schools are historically worse the BU in these off the court issues... its ok? Why can't the topic of conversation revolve around the incident at hand? I guess I just don't get it?

[tornado]

OK, how about we compare to Kentucky...
this UK blogger thinks the media is really, really unfair to UK and their beloved Coach Cal

http://www.aseaofblue.com/2009/9/12/1027096/lets-all-play-whack-a-calipari

[mrcoachdude]

Why is it always a comparison of school vs. school and violations vs. violations?

So since other schools are historically worse the BU in these off the court issues... its ok? Why can't the topic of conversation revolve around the incident at hand? I guess I just don't get it?

2 things:

No one said it was ok.....

No one said it was ok.....

wait that was one thing....maybe its the anti BU folks throwin in our face anytime something like this happens..even though it happens everywhere...and most places are worse??? again....

No one said it was ok.....some seem to try and justify it....but ok?

I wonder how we can really have any conversation when only the un-named guys side is stated......

[SFP]

Now who's a little out control my freind

Guilty! That is of course written after a pint or two!

[Out of Balance]

Guilty! That is of course written after a pint or two!

Your talking RootBeer Your alright here, friend

[jasonpeoria911]

Were not saying it's ok what Taylor did, just saying that this whole thing/thread is blown way out of proportion for a little punch. I'm sure the victim instigated it a little bit, Taylor could of easily done this at the soccer game if he intentionally wanted to "batter" him. Taylor gets blasted on front page news while the same paper and ISU's hometown paper didn't even bother posting 1 story for a team with 20 court dates this past month. Along with several DUI's and drinking offenses in the last 2 years. It's not ok to commit a crime but you have to contain it to what it is, not blow it way out of proportion.

Jason

Why is it always a comparison of school vs. school and violations vs. violations?

So since other schools are historically worse the BU in these off the court issues... its ok? Why can't the topic of conversation revolve around the incident at hand? I guess I just don't get it?

[Chico]

Were not saying it's ok what Taylor did, just saying that this whole thing/thread is blown way out of proportion for a little punch. I'm sure the victim instigated it a little bit, Taylor could of easily done this at the soccer game if he intentionally wanted to "batter" him. Taylor gets blasted on front page news while the same paper and ISU's hometown paper didn't even bother posting 1 story for a team with 20 court dates this past month. Along with several DUI's and drinking offenses in the last 2 years. It's not ok to commit a crime but you have to contain it to what it is, not blow it way out of proportion.

Jason

Not saying he isn't, because like the rest of us we don't know beans about what all took place, but why are you so sure the "other guy" was the instigator? Is it because TB is a Bradley player and we all love our Braves and they can do no wrong?

[tornado]

...they can do no wrong?

yup...they can do no wrong
BTW-- I saw Sam M, Sam S, Will E, and AW at the soccer game tonight...as I said hi to them I realized between the four of them
they share two foot operations, three knee operations, a couple shoulder operations, and a broken hand or two...
What a tough bunch, but none were wearing braces or using crutches..so that was a good sign!

[houstontxbrave]

After reading your last 2 posts it appears you know what is at the root of all this nonsense and the other guy was the instigator. Tell us more.

You know Chico I never said I knew anything about what happened. But, I do know that when guys are 21 sometimes guys get real sensitive about things... woman and or being disrespected infront of their peers among others. I have no idea who started what or why someone thinks its ok to go to someones place of employment or that by showing up at a campus that one does not attend will make any situation between 2 21 year olds better.

But I can guarantee you that if someone is going to try and show up a man infront of his peers he is going to take action. Was Brown wrong to not walk away, yes, was the other guy wrong for showing up and continuing to aggitate Brown... in my opinion yes. I know he has all the rights in the world to be where is wants to be, but often when you go looking for a problem you will find one.

I do not again know anything about Brown or what happened, but I can guarantee you that when a guy disrespects another guy, especially infront of his peers that guy who does the disrespecting is going to have an issue. Everything is my two cents but it also comes from reality and remembering what life was like at 21 and playing a sport... you never ever let someone show you up. But that was 20 years ago, today when someone does that and gets what likely is coming to them the police get called, welcome to PC 2009.

[Chico]

You know Chico I never said I knew anything about what happened. But, I do know that when guys are 21 sometimes guys get real sensitive about things... woman and or being disrespected infront of their peers among others. I have no idea who started what or why someone thinks its ok to go to someones place of employment or that by showing up at a campus that one does not attend will make any situation between 2 21 year olds better.

But I can guarantee you that if someone is going to try and show up a man infront of his peers he is going to take action. Was Brown wrong to not walk away, yes, was the other guy wrong for showing up and continuing to aggitate Brown... in my opinion yes. I know he has all the rights in the world to be where is wants to be, but often when you go looking for a problem you will find one.

I do not again know anything about Brown or what happened, but I can guarantee you that when a guy disrespects another guy, especially infront of his peers that guy who does the disrespecting is going to have an issue. Everything is my two cents but it also comes from reality and remembering what life was like at 21 and playing a sport... you never ever let someone show you up. But that was 20 years ago, today when someone does that and gets what likely is coming to them the police get called, welcome to PC 2009.

If you don't anythng about what happened, how can you say the "other guy" was agitating TB. He has every right to go to his job and to a soccer game that's open to the public. Let's just hope TB learns from this and has continuing success on the Hilltop.

[shaunguth]

Why is it always a comparison of school vs. school and violations vs. violations?

So since other schools are historically worse the BU in these off the court issues... its ok? Why can't the topic of conversation revolve around the incident at hand? I guess I just don't get it?

It's a matter of coverage for me.....I'm curious.....did the B/N newspaper put king o's misdemeanor on the front page? And yes, it was a misdemeanor as clearly stated on the McLean County website!