PJ Star article- Taylor Brown

[squirrelgotdead]

I would normally agree with this... fights happen all the time when cops are not called. However, if the PJS is accurate in their reporting that TB was at this guys place of work (Macy's) and making threatening "gestures" to him at a BU soccer game, I could see why the police were called for one fight.

Like I said, who knows how accurate it is... but if someone came to my place of work and stared at me and made other threats at a public place like a soccer game, I might be a little worried as well. If this person that had been doing these things to me then hit me and split my lip, the cops would definitely be called...

That's the troubling part of this. The intimidation thing elevates this to another level. Not that the fight is acceptable either.

[georgethedog]

Thanks again Flipper... Oh, that's right, there's this Brown thing. Mind adrift via Flipper's avatar. I agree 100% with everybody!!! (I think she would look good in my Vette)

[it's boogie time]

Like I said, who knows how accurate it is... but if someone came to my place of work and stared at me and made other threats at a public place like a soccer game, I might be a little worried as well.

If he was so "worried", why did he come to the Bradley campus late on a Saturday night? He's not a BU student.

[Da Coach]

Sorry Ruffin was 2 years ago...time flys.

I am not trying to minimze it, but my point was that, though an isolated incident like the Ruffin one sticks in our minds, Bradley has had fewer such incidents than most D1 programs.

[Nacho]

If he was so "worried", why did he come to the Bradley campus late on a Saturday night? He's not a BU student.

I clearly have no way of knowing that answer unless I am the person in question- which I am clearly not...

Isn't it common that ICC students hang out around BU? He was apparently at the BU soccer game so he does hang out at BU events. I am sure there are several ICC students that hang out at BU. TB and this person have a mutual friend, so maybe he was going to see him? No one will probably ever know why he was there... and BTW- 11:30pm is not "late on a Saturday" on a college campus... 3am is "late"

[flipper]

Thanks again Flipper... Oh, that's right, there's this Brown thing. Mind adrift via Flipper's avatar. I agree 100% with everybody!!! (I think she would look good in my Vette)

heels on or off?

[squirrelgotdead]

Nacho--you actually bring up an important cultural point at BU...

Most who were at BU in the mid-to-late 90's are probably aren't aware of how many local kids and ICC kids go to BU today.

Back in the 1990's there was a fair amount of shame to be local and go to Bradley. Not sure why it was that way.

About 7 years or so ago, that began to change in a big way. A lot more local kids go to Bradley. A lot of locals eventually go to Bradley by way of ICC.

Summers used to be a dead time around campus, but now, it's not uncommon to have multi-house parties in the summer as kids come back from other schools. . .

So you have a lot more interaction between Bradley and ICC students on and around campus.

[Out of Balance]

heels on or off?

flipper, your hurting B4L ratings and your in serious contention to take over his #1 avator spot

[LG281]

I think its interesting that this went down outside of Haussler Hall. Anybody been to campus recently? To actually be outside of Haussler Hall (and not the Markin Center) would be very difficult with the construction in the area.

Also, there isn't any reason for anyone who isn't an athlete to ever walk closerto Haussler than Markin or Morgan as Haussler is strictly athletics at this point.

Curious that this unidentified man would be that close to somewhere he has absolutely no business being. Hmmm.

[tornado]

Maybe he didn't punch him. I don't really care if he did or not. In my world 2 college guys getting into a fight isn't a big deal. ...

my point exactly...had this happened on the court...trash talking, staring the guy down, tussling, split lip, just maybe it might have been a 1-and-1...
Hey-- people have done more to me and I never once entertained the idea of calling the cops..the word wuss comes to mind...

[tornado]

...that TB was at this guys place of work (Macy's) ....

it's illegal to go to Macy's and look??


and there were 2600 people at the soccergame last Friday...and this accuser somehow spotted TB making "threatening gestures"?

[Da Coach]

....TB and this person have a mutual friend, so maybe he was going to see him?

One correction... the mutual friend is not a "him". That may explain things better, and it may explain why a guy from ICC is hanging around Bradley. He is not a Bradley student.
Also, I am fairly certain this guy is not a Bradley soccer fan.

And one more clarification- It's my understanding that there was a Bradley fraternity party going on in Haussler Hall that was the reason TB was there. There were also non-BU students at the party, as there always are. The altercation occurred outside of Haussler, but TB went back into the party.

I am somewhat amused by references in the Dave Reynolds article about TB visiting Macy's, making gestures (whatever is meant by that?), or staring. When has any of that been a crime? Why is it even mentioned in the article, and why does anyone care?

[Out of Balance]

I think its interesting that this went down outside of Haussler Hall. Anybody been to campus recently? To actually be outside of Haussler Hall (and not the Markin Center) would be very difficult with the construction in the area.

Also, there isn't any reason for anyone who isn't an athlete to ever walk closerto Haussler than Markin or Morgan as Haussler is strictly athletics at this point.

Curious that this unidentified man would be that close to somewhere he has absolutely no business being. Hmmm.

You bring something interesting up here. Who's stalking who here and who's(maybe both) been pushed pass a point of turning the other way. I don't think we can look at this as a mere fight at a college party where to many beers have led to a bloody lip. If the paper is right in reporting about Macy's, the soccer game and now what you are reporting about Haussler hall, then this thing could have been heading down a every dark road. Theres just to many times in this world today that these kind of things end with someone hurt bad or worst. By NO means am I saying that this would or could of happen, but this incident should NOT be minimized and judgment should not be made till all the facts are heard

[LG281]

And one more clarification- It's my understanding that there was a Bradley fraternity party going on in Haussler Hall that was the reason TB was there. The altercation occurred outside of Haussler, but TB went back into the party.

Well that explains why there were non-athletics folks at Haussler - thanks DC.

[Nacho]

it's illegal to go to Macy's and look??


and there were 2600 people at the soccergame last Friday...and this accuser somehow spotted TB making "threatening gestures"?

If you worked at a public place like Macy's and there was someone that, for whatever reason, had a problem with you, and he came into your place of work to stare at you... that could be considered stalking or threatening... and while that is not a crime, it could have lead to the crime in question.

Who knows what is true and what is not... if TB was going to shop there, happened to see him, and stared him down for a little bit- no big deal. If he went there to specifically stare at him, there is a problem with that. It's boarderline stalking...

One correction... the mutual friend is not a "him". That may explain things better, and it may explain why a guy from ICC is hanging around Bradley. He is not a Bradley student.
Also, I am fairly certain this guy is not a Bradley soccer fan.

I agree that is does make a difference that it is a female mutual friend... could be a "lover's quarrel" of sorts. People to crazy things for women...

And one more clarification- It's my understanding that there was a Bradley fraternity party going on in Haussler Hall that was the reason TB was there. The altercation occurred outside of Haussler, but TB went back into the party.

This also makes like a little more clear. It seems as though the victim of the incident and TB were probably both there for a party.

Now if the victim came to start trouble with TB because he knew he was there, that is no different then TB going to his work or making threatening gestures to him at the soccer game. Both parties are in the wrong.

I am somewhat amused by references in the Dave Reynolds article about TB visiting Macy's, making gestures (whatever is meant by that?), or staring. When has any of that been a crime? Why is it even mentioned in the article, and why does anyone care?

It is circumstancial evidence (if true) that TB obviously had a problem with this guy, and probably vice versa. It may not be a crime but it is involved in, and related to, the reported crime that was committed. None of that may have been a crime, but it could have lead up to the crime in questions. Also, those things could be considered stalking under certain circumstances...

Not trying to start a fight here by any means, just voicing my opinion... Until all the facts come out, its basically a moot point. This guy could be making everything up and split his own lip for all we know... it also could be the case that TB had done this before and just now did the guy call the cops... its all speculation at this point


Edit: I am not sure if circumstancial evidence is the term I am looking for there... maybe something more like a contributing factor...