Hypocrisy at it's FINEST!

[wizard1]

Seminoles

AZBU Fan: I agree with you! I think the entire mascot thing was overdone and wrong. It was and is a prime example of"Tyranny by the minority". While I feel that there were some pastmascot situations that were bad and needed changing, the NCAA as usual was wrong and ill-advised and went way beyond what was necessary. U. of I should be allowed Chief Illiniwek and the Bradley Indian was doing harm to no one. FSU was very lucky and handled the matter in a way that made it virtually impossible for the NCAA to come down on them.

[wizard1]

Seminoles & Casinos

Braves 4 L & Tornado--- What is your hang-up on this issue? You guys still don't get it! Trying to link the FSU Seminole with Indian owned casinos and restaurants in some kind of grand conspiracy in Florida is completely off the wall and unfounded.
29 states have indian owned casinos. California has 58 of them! The largest casino in the world is Foxwood in Connecticut. Indians have been given many "rights" by the Federal and several State governments that non-indians do not have. These include fishing and hunting rights in Alaska, Washington, and Oregon. All of this is based on past maltreatment of native Americans. Florida is only one of many states where this has happened.
You make implications and innuendos but you don't really have any true facts nor are either of you close enough to the situation at FSU to really understand how it evolved.
The real issue is that you guys don't like FSU because they have an indian mascot while the inconsistant NCAA came down on U of I, Bradley, and others who are not allowed indian mascots. I also wish U of I and BU could have an indian mascot but I'm not going to bend the truth in some childlike effort to support my angry viewpoint.

[tornado]

..but you don't really have any true facts ..

what?? I have offered exactly ZERO conjecture and opinion...in my one and only post on the subject...
I have instead offered simply cut-and-pasted quotes, links, and facts...take them or leave them...but I suspect
the people who are writing those articles and columns have done the research and know more than you or I.
or is it that I have an opinion on the subject that you object to?

[Braves4Life]

Braves 4 L & Tornado--- What is your hang-up on this issue? ....... you don't really have any true facts

And you do?

You $pin your opinion and I'll $tate mine. You believe what you want; that'$ OK. I just think it'$ rather obviou$ why the $eminole tribe does not object to FSU'$ use of their name or likene$$.

[MacabreMob]

You $pin your opinion and I'll $tate mine.

Dude... you are not of the "learn-ed opinion" and you are not recognized as a credible source.... which means your opinions, statements, etc don't mean diddly-squat.

LOL!

[wizard1]

Seminoles

BFL---And what if FSU is paying a fee to use the name & symbol---SO WHAT?
They have programs and scholarships for Seminole children and students, etc.
The Seminole tribe benefits and FSU benefits.
As for your worthless opinion, it continues to be based on no actual knowledge, no facts, and 100% emotional speculation----WAY TO GO BFL!

[jeffsu]

BFL---And what if FSU is paying a fee to use the name & symbol---SO WHAT?
They have programs and scholarships for Seminole children and students, etc.
The Seminole tribe benefits and FSU benefits.
As for your worthless opinion, it continues to be based on no actual knowledge, no facts, and 100% emotional speculation----WAY TO GO BFL!

Somebody's become a little worked up on the topic. Let's work on not bashing others, Indian or not, cool?

[BU RICK]

Somebody's become a little worked up on the topic. Let's work on not bashing others, Indian or not, cool?

I agree Jeff Here's a good song that I found -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGoBQIhyFFM

[Da Coach]

I don't think anyone here is criticizing Florida State or the Seminoles. If they want to work out an agreement, that's the American way, and I doubt anyone has any problems with that.
I think we can all agree that the problem is with the NCAA and their selective assault on schools to force a politically-correct policy. Obviously the bigger and more powerful a school is, and the more money they bring in for the NCAA, they are willing to turn their heads and allow the use of Indian symbols and imagery like at Florida State, while threatening punitive sanctions on schools like Bradley, North Dakota, and others that they can more easily bully around.

[wizard1]

Seminoles

Coach: You are quite correct as usual and I will stop kicking the dead horse. My real concern is with unfounded speculation that denigrates a fine school with which I have some experience and ties.
Obviously, one of the factors in all of this was the lawsuit which the Pres. of FSU threatened against the NCAA and the capability of a large, well funded school like FSU to cause the NCAA some heavy problems. FSU had the capability and willingness to fight it and most other schools did not. In the final analysis, "political correctness, tyranny by the minority, and the NCAAs inconsistancy" really caused this problem to blossom.

[BU_EMT128]

My real concern is with unfounded speculation that denigrates a fine school with which I have some experience and ties.

It is passion similar to yours that many of us pro-chief U of I fans had during that controversy. Being a good friend of a former chief at U of I, I have seen alot of the behind the scenes events that occur, and the respect and sincerity of those involved. Although I feel chucking a spear into the ground at FSU may be a bit of overkill, I struggle to see many differences between these two schools and traditions. It appears that most of the problems begin to be raised by ignorant liberal thinkers, making decisions and deciding what groups should feel offended, regardless if they actually do.

[wizard1]

Indian Mascots

BU EMT128---You are absolutely correct. The U of I situation is similar to the FSU situation except that U of I didn't have a specific tribe to support and approve their Chief. In many ways, its too bad that U of I caved in and didn't also go after the NCAA as FSU did.

[Braves4Life]

Dude... you are not of the "learn-ed opinion" and you are not recognized as a credible source.... which means your opinions, statements, etc don't mean diddly-squat.

LOL!

You're right Mob. It'$ probably be$t not to $tate $uch a worthle$$ OPINION on a me$$age board where everybody bring$ nothing but 100% factual information each and every time.

BFL---And what if FSU is paying a fee to use the name & symbol---SO WHAT?
They have programs and scholarships for Seminole children and students, etc.
The Seminole tribe benefits and FSU benefits.
As for your worthless opinion, it continues to be based on no actual knowledge, no facts, and 100% emotional speculation----WAY TO GO BFL!

Thank you for agreeing and validating my point wizard . I gue$$ 1 + 1 doe$ = 2.

Have a nice day


(Oh, and I prefer B4L )

[Beninator]

You're right Mob. It'$ probably be$t not to $tate $uch a worthle$$ OPINION on a me$$age board where everybody bring$ nothing but 100% factual information each and every time.




Thank you for agreeing and validating my point wizard . I gue$$ 1 + 1 doe$ = 2.

Have a nice day


(Oh, and I prefer B4L )

$MH.... $MH>>>>>$MH

[tornado]

I think the real issue here is that IF...the use of the name Braves, Indians, or Seminoles is hostile and abusive,
as the NCAA says it is, then why do they allow exceptions in certain caes....why??

Hey-- if it's hostile and abusive then end it everywhere!

would we still allow the use of Chinks just because some group of Chinese who claim to speak for the entire race says it's OK?

It should be banned everywhere if the NCAA is actually going to stick to their guns and rule that it's offensive..

but oddly...in some cases they let it slide....FSU, the Illini, etc...just a few seem to get a break cut for them by the NCAA.
So what's the criteria to let it slide? Is it determined by money...lots of things are, you know....