Tyler Les

[thefish7]

Totally off-topic... But cool avatar, shaunguth.

[tornado]

Jeremy Crouch won his group at the 2004 Class AA 3-point contest but didn't place in the top 4 of the finals.
Treant Meacham & Brandon Holtz were in the same competition but didn't survive their groups.

[shaunguth]

Totally off-topic... But cool avatar, shaunguth.

Thanks. I had some free time last night!

[Deadguy35]

Tyler is also a much better shooter than any of the other players that were listed.

All the other players mentioned do other things to help their teams win. Shooting the basketball is simply one dimension on the offensive side of the ball.

Does he have the athleticism of Tylon Deal? I've seen Tylon jump the tip-offs for Richwoods, and get the tip over players who are 5 to 6 inches taller than him. Does he have the quickness of Marvin Jordan (RB on the football team), who I've seen drive past defenders in the paint for easy baskets. Marvin also handles the ball extraordinarilly well and creates shots for his teammates. Same goes for Tony Banks, who is an outstanding scorer, and does not have to rely on his jump shot to score points.

Does he have the ability to create shots for his teammates? I've only seen him play twice, and he hangs around the perimeter waiting for the ball to come to him. If he didn't take the shot, he simply passed the ball back to Rochford. I also didn't see all that much defensive pressure on him, like other people in this thread mentioned. Teams were much more concerned with Max Bielfeldt in the paint. If anything, that seemed to collapse the defenders into the paint, and gave Tyler some room to put up some non contested shots.

He looks more like the basketball equilavalent of a DH. He reminded me of a much more hyped player (Matt Roth), who was very overrated. I remember watching a Washington game in the PHT in which he took 18 shots. All of them were three point shots, and he made 5 of them. He had no assists, had no ability to create his own shot, and no ability to create shots for his teammates.

Players like this are fine. Sean Harrington had a solid career with Illinois coming off the bench and shooting threes. This is the type of player that Tyler Les and James Robertson can be for Bradley. If their shots aren't falling though, there's really not much they can do to help their teams win.

[Da Coach]

My point was that kids that shoot the ball well will get D1 interest even when they don't have the superior athleticism that other athletes have.
Of all those Peoria kids that were listed (Marvin Jordan, Nick Rochford, Mason Alwan, Aaron Davis, Tylon Deal, and Tony Banks), I believe Ty Les is the most likely one to play D1 primarily because of his shooting.

[houstontxbrave]

I have never seen Tyler Les play but when he was a kid and he would shoot around and dribble before BU games in JL's early years he handled the ball better then any of our guards at that time.

Regardless, I am a big believer in Pedigree. Guys like Eastman, Les, etc who have fathers or even mothers who have played the game or coached it tend to have a much better understanding of the game. They tend to make team oriented plays and are often better skilled players.

If Les has an interest in playing at Bradley, there is absolutely no harm in that happening. If the kid is winning 3 pt contests and is playing AAU with competitive teams and his father is a former NBA player I dont care who is "better" in Peoria... Ill be happy Tyler Les in a BU uniform.

I have a feeling his game is likely very good and at 6'2 and he can shoot it, with I guarantee great handle of the ball, well just because someone can jump center or runs fast doesnt mean they have overall Basketball skills needed to compete in a competitive D1 game. None of this even mentions what I would guess is a very mentally tough individual.

[real fan]

Great shooters will always get interested D1 offers , I will always choose a coaches kid because he is usually fundementally sound, Crouch was not a fast player and look how he turned out, there is always a place for a player that can shoot the ball well and Tyler has one more year in high school to improve his overall game.

[Braves4Life]

.....Tyler is not the "athletic type" as DSE, Theron Wilson, or even Jordan Prosser are... but he makes his presence known by his smarts.

How would you compare his athleticism to his father's?

Remember, no one knew or thought much about Jim Les coming out of high school. His determination, work ethic, and (I imagine) later physical maturity made him into a "player". A lot of physical and fundamental skill gains can be made between a kid's junior year in high school and sophomore year in college.

The fact that the kid is taller than and already shoots the three better than his old man says a lot. He may be a much stronger and better player by the time he's a college sophomore. Go get him Jimmy

[ser_solace]

Go get him Jimmy

Heh. Wonder if Coach Les will tell his son that he can't talk to him for a year because it'd be a recruiting violation.

[southpaw nothin]

If he is truly a chip off the ol' block, and by all early indications he is, he would be a player very much in the mold of Maniscalco. What I see is if he ends up at BU, he will likely spell McCain at PG first, and then take over for Maniscalco in year two.

By reports he also has a little bit of attitude and swagger and can back it up.

[brocks]

Thanks. I had some free time last night!

I assume that's MK bottom left? Kinda hard to make it out. Interesting the builds on these guys. They all look like strong, well-developed kids. No chicken legs in this group. Seems rare for frosh.

[Braves4Life]

They all look like strong, well-developed kids. No chicken legs in this group. Seems rare for frosh.

Not anymore. You've got year 'round AAU play and individual and/or team strength coach's to thank for these junior Hercules'.

[leebiddlecome]

I have no idea if Tyler Les is a D1 player. I have never seen him play basketball. But I would never put an ounce of weight on guys who won three-point shooting contests.

That's not a knock to Tyler or anyone else whoever won one. He could be the greatest shooter in America for all I know. But whether or not he won a goofy three-point contest means nothing.

There are TONS of great shooters out there and in the state of Illinois. It takes a lot more than that. Hopefully for Tyler Les' sake he has the other stuff. I have no idea either way. I've only heard reports from people about him but I have no first hand knowledge.

[tornado]

But I would never put an ounce of weight on guys who won three-point shooting contests.
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and shooting 74% from 3-pt range for the entire 2nd half of the season also meaningless...

[leebiddlecome]

and shooting 74% from 3-pt range for the entire 2nd half of the season also meaningless...

Nope. Its not meaningless. I didnt say that. I said I dont put weight on guys who win three-point shooting contests.

If a guy shoots 74% from three-point range in real games then yes, I would put weight on that. But I wouldn't on a three-point contest. They are two entirely different things.

You know they aren't the same things. A contest is just that, a contest. When guys make shots in games it means about 1,000 times more to me.

The fact that Tyler Les made 75% of three-pointers is eye opening and impressive. But winning three point contests isnt.