ISU-Kansas State box score and other NIT games

[Da Coach]

ISU 79
KSU 83 in OT

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=200903180288

Attendance was 8,130. Not bad- their average attendance for the season was 8,983.


Osiris Eldridge was 6-23.
He's a great player when he's on a streak like in the MVC title game. But when he's having a bad game, he hurts them because he doesn't know when to stop launching.

Bowling Green 71
Creighton 73

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=200903180133

Woodfox had a bad game, but Stinnett played well.
Attendance in Omaha was 9,577. That is about 6,300 less than their average of 15,872.


Other NIT games-

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/scoreboard?d=2009-03-18&c=nit&refresh=60

[cpacmel]

ISU kinda fell asleep and got beat on a trick play at the end of regulation when they nearly had the game in their pockets.
Jacob Pullen inbounded the ball off the back of one of the ISU defenders, and then grabbed it and took an uncontested layup to send the game to overtime, where K-State won it by 2.

Not sure what game you were watching Tornado.

K-State inbounded the ball underneath ISU's basket after a made FT. Pullen went coast to coast and missed a lay-up. Sutton tipped in Pullen's miss with under a second to go in regulation to tie the game.

Where did you come up with this pass off of one ISU defenders?

[cpacmel]

saw the televised highlights, right at the end of regulation...although the WGN broadcaster inadvertently said this play happened at the end of regulation to send it into OT.
Pullen threw the ball inbounds off Oguchi's leg, caught it himself as he stepped inbounds and made an easy layup

read it from the K-State website...

"The game had a rarely seen play near the end leaving fans, players and
coaches seeking an explanation. With 1.0 remaining on the clock and Ron
Anderson at the free-throw line for the Wildcats ahead 81-79, Anderson
missed the freethrow and the ball went out of bounds without being
touched, but the clock was inadvertantly started and time expired.

The officials came together to rule a deadball rebound in favor of K-State by
way of the possession arrow since possession was not established by either
team by touching the ball before going out of bounds. The ruling gave the
Wildcats the ball under their own basket and sealed the win. For extra
measure, Pullen inbounded the ball off the back of an Illinois State player and
made a layup as time expired to get the win 83-79."
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArti...ATCLID=3696047

That was at the end of the game in OT. K-State was already up 2 points.

You said Pullen's shot sent the game into OT.

ISU kinda fell asleep and got beat on a trick play at the end of regulation when they nearly had the game in their pockets.
Jacob Pullen inbounded the ball off the back of one of the ISU defenders, and then grabbed it and took an uncontested layup to send the game to overtime, where K-State won it by 2.

Not a big deal. But you have it mixed up. Pullen didn't send any shot anywhere.

[RedbirdFan21]

Very bizarre ending to the game (after ISU blew a 5 pt lead with 36 secs)... KSU goes up 1 with 11 secs and Lloyd Phillips makes a bad pass with 1 sec left and KSU gets the steal and gets fouled... so KSU is up 1 shooting 2 FT's...

makes the 1st FT (KSU up 2)
misses the 2nd FT

No one touches the ball (KSU was not on the line for the REB, and ISU does not touch it off of the rim). The ball ends up out of bounds with no one touching it...

One would assume it is ISU's ball where it went out of bounds.

According to a brief comment from Jank in the post game, the officials went to the possession arrow and gave it to KSU after the missed FT went out of bounds.

After about 7 mins of discussion, this is what the ref's came up with... then with 1 sec left, and up 2, KSU inbounded the ball off an ISU player for a layup as time expired... no impact on the game...

Very odd ruling, if it was in fact correct... you could tell jank was biting his tongue a little on what he was saying about it...

Anyone know that rule?

[Da Coach]

I am trying to figure this out.
Did the ISU players purposely not touch the ball to avoid the clock starting? Which direction did it bounce, and how long did it take to go out of bounds? Why didn't any KSU players go for the ball?

[shaunguth]

I am trying to figure this out.
Did the ISU players purposely not touch the ball to avoid the clock starting? Which direction did it bounce, and how long did it take to go out of bounds? Why didn't any KSU players go for the ball?

It seems like it would be isu's ball, but I've never seen a missed FT make it all the way out of bounds without being touched.

[Da Coach]

BTW- I don't know if the refs did get the ruling correct.
The game clock does not start after a missed free throw, until it is touched by a player.
Here is the exact wording from the rules--

On a missed free throw, the game clock starts when the ball is legally touched by a player
on the floor, but the shot clock does not start until a player on one of the teams has

PLAYER CONTROL of the basketball.

see 4th paragraph-

http://ds062.k12.sd.us/activities%20page%20files/pdf/08shotclockrules.pdf

But I did not know that if this happens, the situation is treated like a jump-ball. Why wouldn't the ball be awarded to the other team (ISU in this case). I believe I have seen a free throw bounce off the rim and hit the shot clock, and it was awarded to the other team, since the free thrower was the last to touch the ball.

[shaunguth]

I believe this may be the answer and it looks like the refs did get it right.......

Section 3. Alternating-Possession Situations

f. The ball becomes dead when neither team is in control and no goal or infraction or end of a period is involved.

[SFP]

s I said if Osiris launches a bunch of 3s without getting the bigs involved they would lose. I think Jank just wants to keep OE happy so he comes back. This will be his last year and Jank needs him. ISU's big are good and there is no reason to put up so many 3s.

[shaunguth]

yet another bizarre clock/officiating ruling that hurts the lower seeded team....same as happened a few times already this tournament season...

Yes, but at least they got it right!

The end of that Mississippi State game was an absolute joke!

[Da Coach]

I believe this may be the answer and it looks like the refs did get it right.......

Section 3. Alternating-Possession Situations

f. The ball becomes dead when neither team is in control and no goal or infraction or end of a period is involved.

Why wouldn't that definition include a scramble for a loose ball that gets knocked out of bounds by a player for one team. According to that rule, it would always be a jump ball because neither team had control.

[Da Coach]

BTW- Creighton advances and gets another home game against Kentucky next Monday night. That should be a great draw for their fans.
The game will be on ESPN, but most of us won't see it, because it will be on at the same time as Bradley's next game in the CIT.

Here is the entire NIT bracket-

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nit/sports/m-nit/auto_pdf/031809-bracket-2.pdf

[IlliBraves]

It's really a shame ISU can't seem to manage finishing a game. If they could, they'd probably have a game against Purdue on Friday, or at least still be playing in the NIT.

[shaunguth]

BTW- Creighton advances and gets another home game against Kentucky next Monday night. That should be a great draw for their fans.
The game will be on ESPN, but most of us won't see it, because it will be on at the same time as Bradley's next game in the CIT.

Here is the entire NIT bracket-
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...-bracket-2.pdf

Stanford going to Wichita State should be a nice draw as well. I guess if these smaller tournaments accomplish anything, it will reinforce the BCS-mentality of not traveling to the mid-majors!
It's nice that they're forced into it in these tournaments but I can't imagine Creighton and WSU are environments that will change their mind!

[ser_solace]

Too bad ISU lost. I was rooting for them and all the other Valley teams. Would have been a nice win.