Teams invited to the CBI- Wichita State and Oregon State

[dogsrus]

The CBI is not a joke. It is what it is. It is a second tier postseason tournament built on the foundation of making money. The joke is the teams that agree to play in it. We all know that Wichita draws well, that is why they got the invite. Maybe I am contradicting myself, but I enjoyed the tournament a ton last year. Now do I think that the CIT is any better? No! I just wanna watch BU play a couple more games. I would not be ripping the CBI if we were playing in that, nor will I rip the CIT. Like I said before, it is what it is. We didn't get the job done when we should have and now we have to play in one of these 2 tournaments. To say that one tournament is a joke and the other is okay because we are playing in it is unjustified. Maybe I am taking some of the posts wrong, but it seems that the consenus is pro-cit and anit-cbi. Just my opinion. GO BU!

I'm kinda with you....its how you VIEW this tourney that makes a difference. If its a "reward" for your regular season play they are falling short. If you look at is as simply a chance to keep playing...go for it and have some fun.

I DO agree with bradleyBrave though that they are blowing the chance to legitimize the tourney to some degree by taking sub .500 teams allthough I don't think the CBI OR the CIT will ever garner much respect as a far as teams "earning" any right to play.

Think of it as a chance to get an early start on next season and go from there.

Actually the BIGGEST factor or plus in these tourney's is hoping BU gets a game against some warm weather team then Me and OB74 can take a roadie like last year with Tulsa and get some early golf in......Is Arizona or Florida going to be playing.

[MacabreMob]

A couple days ago, I would have agreed. It seems they've dropped off a lot of projections in the last 24 hours. I hope not, because the Valley is much better than a one-bid league!

It looks like Creighton is very slightly IN right now.

Miss St could steal a bid today, but I don't think Creighton would be the one to suffer from it.

I say Creighton is IN.

[leebiddlecome]

The CBI is not a joke. It is what it is. It is a second tier postseason tournament built on the foundation of making money. The joke is the teams that agree to play in it. We all know that Wichita draws well, that is why they got the invite. Maybe I am contradicting myself, but I enjoyed the tournament a ton last year. Now do I think that the CIT is any better? No! I just wanna watch BU play a couple more games. I would not be ripping the CBI if we were playing in that, nor will I rip the CIT. Like I said before, it is what it is. We didn't get the job done when we should have and now we have to play in one of these 2 tournaments. To say that one tournament is a joke and the other is okay because we are playing in it is unjustified. Maybe I am taking some of the posts wrong, but it seems that the consenus is pro-cit and anit-cbi. Just my opinion. GO BU!

Good point Patrick. Why is the tourney a joke? If the group putting it on gets teams to play in it, and they pay the money, then its legit.

What is a joke is teams trying to convince fans that playing in the CBI or CIT is a "reward" for a good season. It isn't. Like you I love watching more Bradley games but the CIT event isn't anymore "legit" than the CBI.

After the NCAA and NIT the rest all fall in the same category. They are extra games for teams willing to either A) pay for the home game or B) get the money to go on the road to extend their seasons. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Da Coach]

What is a joke is teams trying to convince fans that playing in the CBI or CIT is a "reward" for a good season. It isn't. Like you I love watching more Bradley games but the CIT event isn't anymore "legit" than the CBI.

I disagree. If one of those tournaments requires teams to have winning records (the CIT has implied that it does), it is clearly different than the other that doesn't care how few wins you have, or the quality of the wins, as long as you shell our $50,000 to host a game. One seeks out and "rewards" only above average quality teams, the other doesn't.
I'll wait until all the teams are known before I critique the CIT, but the CBI, already with teams like Oregon State, with only 11 wins against D1 competetion, getting rewarded with a home game is a joke, IMO.

[leebiddlecome]

I disagree. If one of those tournaments requires teams to have winning records or finish in the upper half of their conference, it is clearly different than the other that doesn't care how few wins you have as long as you shell our $50,000 to host a game.
I'll wait until all the teams are known before I critique the CIT, but the CBI, with teams like Oregon State, with only 11 wins against D1 competetion, getting rewarded with a home game is a joke, IMO.

But if you aren't willing to shell out 25-30K you can't host a game in the CIT either. So because the guarantee is higher it makes it less legit?

It isn't like the CIT is letting people in for free, expenses paid like the NCAA and NIT.

[daPAWW1]

It is what you want it to be!

I don't think these tourneys mean a thing other than the kids get to play another game (maybe at home) and the fans get to see us play some teams we otherwise wouldn't get home or away! Do we think Cincinnati or Tulsa would ever schedule us or would we even give us a 2 for 1 deal, and I doubt Virginia would even answer our call? So whatever you think of these tourneys at least the fans gets to see somebody besides Horizon league teams - I hope!

And it's sure better than nothing or being part of a 128 team NCAA one and done debacle! Best thing for us to do is to get some better talent on the court, win our own tourney or league and go to the big dance, otherwise we'll just have be happy with what we get!

Enjoy!

[dogsrus]

Good point Patrick. Why is the tourney a joke? If the group putting it on gets teams to play in it, and they pay the money, then its legit.

What is a joke is teams trying to convince fans that playing in the CBI or CIT is a "reward" for a good season. It isn't. Like you I love watching more Bradley games but the CIT event isn't anymore "legit" than the CBI.

After the NCAA and NIT the rest all fall in the same category. They are extra games for teams willing to either A) pay for the home game or B) get the money to go on the road to extend their seasons. Nothing more, nothing less.

Exactly...but I understand the "confusion" so to speak. We are so programed in our thinking that end-of-season tourneys (NCAA/NIT) are just that...rewards for regular seson play that many are thinking the CBI/CIT are ALSO in that same vain.

I DO think it would be nice if there was some minimal set standards but thats up to the promoters. Again...just view it as a chance to play some hoops and get ready for next year and it CAN be fun. I had a riot watching BU last year in the CBI.

Its NOT what we want but now that the season is over nothing can be done so take whats there.

[Da Coach]

But if you aren't willing to shell out 25-30K you can't host a game in the CIT either. So because the guarantee is higher it makes it less legit?

It isn't like the CIT is letting people in for free, expenses paid like the NCAA and NIT.

No. As I have posted several times, the money isn't a factor, unless it is the only factor a tournament uses.

What makes the CBI a joke this year, is they are seeking out teams like Oregon State, with only an 11-17 record against D1, and signing them up for a home game before they even have more than 2 of the 16 teams selected.

Oregon State will be one of the worst teams ever to appear in a postseason tournament. I could understand this if they couldn't get 16 teams, but the field of available teams isn't even known yet, and they only have 2 of the 16 slots filled so far, as far as we know.

[dogsrus]

I disagree. If one of those tournaments requires teams to have winning records (the CIT has implied that it does), it is clearly different than the other that doesn't care how few wins you have, or the quality of the wins, as long as you shell our $50,000 to host a game. One seeks out and "rewards" only above average quality teams, the other doesn't.
I'll wait until all the teams are known before I critique the CIT, but the CBI, already with teams like Oregon State, with only 11 wins against D1 competetion, getting rewarded with a home game is a joke, IMO.

Being a .500 or above team doesn't necassarily mean you are "better" then a team at or below .500. IF the CBI OR the CIT wants to distance themselves from the other OR wants to make their tourney a reward for the regular season they will have to come up with a distinct and more recognizable set of standards BEYOND a teams simple W-L record. The W-L "looks" better if a team is over .500 but thats all it tells you.

[dogsrus]

No. As I have posted several times, the money isn't a factor, unless it is the only factor a tournament uses.

What makes the CBI a joke this year, is they are seeking out teams like Oregon State, with only an 11-17 record against D1, and signing them up for a home game before they even have more than 2 of the 16 teams selected.

Oregon State will be one of the worst teams ever to appear in a postseason tournament. I could understand this if they couldn't get 16 teams, but the field of available teams isn't even known yet, and they only have 2 of the 16 slots filled so far, as far as we know.

I DO agree that they jumped early but its THEIR tournament and thats how they choose to run it. Again...I think you are looking at the CBI as a "reward" type tourney. Has the CBI indicated or mkt. it as such? I dunno.

[Bravesfan]

The CBI is not a joke. It is what it is. It is a second tier postseason tournament built on the foundation of making money. The joke is the teams that agree to play in it. We all know that Wichita draws well, that is why they got the invite. Maybe I am contradicting myself, but I enjoyed the tournament a ton last year. Now do I think that the CIT is any better? No! I just wanna watch BU play a couple more games. I would not be ripping the CBI if we were playing in that, nor will I rip the CIT. Like I said before, it is what it is. We didn't get the job done when we should have and now we have to play in one of these 2 tournaments. To say that one tournament is a joke and the other is okay because we are playing in it is unjustified. Maybe I am taking some of the posts wrong, but it seems that the consenus is pro-cit and anit-cbi. Just my opinion. GO BU!

I liked the tournament too. Both of these tournaments are designed to either reward a team that has not participated in any postseason for a long while (Wichita St if 3 years counts), or for teams like Oregon St and Bradley who can use the games for more experience for their teams.

Most of the teams are decent teams, but with the economy or the fact some teams will not accept invites, there will always be some teams playing that probably don't deserve to.

Now will the CIT field a stronger group of teams due to the lower entry fee? Probably, and that tourney may be more competitive for the teams participating. But both tourneys should be competitive and enjoyable for the fans and players.

Obviously the NIT is the higher quality "second tier" tourney, but with so many deserving teams not making these two tourneys, it's nice to know that there are others out there that will give decent teams a chance to extend their season.

[ifarania]

the high guarantee will lure only teams with big backers and cash reserves like Oregon
and all their Nike money and teams like Wichita who think they can draw at least 10,000.
That means more deserving teams without those criteria will stay home, and that's unfortunate.

If it's Oregon State that is being invited, then the Nike money thing is a little off base. The University of Oregon is the school with the Nike dollars, and they were last place in the Pac 10 this year. Nike was founded in Eugene, where the Ducks play.

[real fan]

Last year a lot of teams chose to not play in the CBI because of the 60,000 dollar guarantee so the tour. has to choose teams that can draw enough fans to make some money, nobody claimed that this is a great tour., but as far as I am concerned it is good to try and get your team as many postseason games to play in as possible, the teams BU played against in this tour. last season were decent teams and the games were pretty good ones to watch.

[ifarania]

No problem. It's true, they're both terrible. I've seen them both play a number of times.

[BUFAN]

Sorry, I see that it is Oregon State, not Oregon. They are both pretty bad and don't deserve a postseason tournament.
Thanks for the correction.

Be careful, they would either one beat UNI...