Ray Brown loses year for suspension

[bu fan 9]

There was more to the story with Mike Suggs.

[flipper]

There was more to the story with Mike Suggs.

like what?

[bu fan 9]

I am not going to get into that because it is over and done with.

[georgethedog]

I hope Ray keeps his head up. Sounds like a victimless crime.

the ncca is a joke. ray smokes a little weed, a victimless crime, and gets a year suspension. siu's tatum gets a dui and the ncaa does nothing. tatum's act could have killed an innocent person. doesn't seem even close to being fair.

just seems like the ncaa is picking on bu. first the pob and franklin mess and now this. boo ncaa.

You forgot, Ray could have gotten in a car and killed someone too... Or, if he wasn't caught and punished he may have continued and got into worse trouble.

[Lakeview Brave]

I have no sympathy for Ray! This is absolute ^^, why do we have to start most seasons with something like this? Granger,Suggs, POB/Franklin, Battle. Why can???‚¬?„?t we have a normal year where no one gets suspended and then go on to win? I think Bradley should take away his scholarship. That may seem harsh, but by not red shirting him last year and this he is going to play his first real minutes as a junior. The team would be better of using the scholarship for a 07 or 08 recruit. He can leave Bradley and go play in the NAIA. I???‚¬?„?m glad he was the first one to call Coach less after last season to start working out, I???‚¬?„?m sure puffing the magic dragon was doing wonders for his jump shot. I don???‚¬?„?t want to hear that its just a little weed, he goes to school for free, eats for free, gets his books for free. There is a responsibility that comes with that.

[flipper]

I hope Ray keeps his head up. Sounds like a victimless crime.

the ncca is a joke. ray smokes a little weed, a victimless crime, and gets a year suspension. siu's tatum gets a dui and the ncaa does nothing. tatum's act could have killed an innocent person. doesn't seem even close to being fair.

just seems like the ncaa is picking on bu. first the pob and franklin mess and now this. boo ncaa.

You forgot, Ray could have gotten in a car and killed someone too... Or, if he wasn't caught and punished he may have continued and got into worse trouble.

c'mon. get real. he didn't drive a car. smoking a little weed is probably less harmful than the binge drinking down on farmington road or the frat houses.you'd think people would be more educated on pot in 2006.

[Lakeview Brave]

I agree he probably wasn???‚¬?„?t hurting anyone but himself and if he were a normal college student then who knows what would happen. But he is not a normal student, he goes to school for free based on his "supposed" ability to play basketball. He has yet to play a meaningful minute in two years. He represents the school and given are recent national exposure this will be a bigger story then it might have been in the past. It is an embarrassment:

[PeoriaLou]

I agree with Lakeview, Ray knows the rules and he broke them. Period. Victimless crime my foot, the victims are not only Ray, but the BU staff, team and basketball department.

He screwed up and must pay the price, no two ways around it. I know Les is concerned about the well-being of RB and is saying all the right things in the pjstar article, but he can't be anything but totally disappointed in RB's lack of commitment to this team and BU.

Can you rescind a scholly for knowing breaking team, school and NCAA rules? Not sure if this situation is over yet....[/quote]

[tornado]

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It is an embarrassment::

It is.
And BU can revoke the scholarship, but as noted in the article, they have chosen not to, and they even went to bat for Ray claiming the penalty is excessive and believing that Ray is really a good kid who deserves a 2nd chance.

I think there are two issues.

The (1) violation....and the (2) penalty.

I don't disagree he committed the violation, and it is disappointing that he did.

But the penalty is severe and excessive.
What do you want to bet that the first time such a violation occurs to a JJ Redick or a Joakim Noah, that the NCAA backs off and revises the panalty.
If a kid got his arm cut off for stealing, it has nothing to do with the crime being a crime, it is just way too harsh of a penalty.
Does anyone really think this particular penalty is fair and reasonable?
If they are going to have these kinds of severe penalties, then why not apply them also to the kids caught in campus break-ins, caught with drugs, drunk driving, slapping girlfriends, making improper phone calls using school credit cards, and taking $10,000 "unrepayable loans" from school boosters?

[BradleyBrave]

...
It is an embarrassment::

It is.
And BU can revoke the scholarship, but as noted in the article, they have chosen not to, and they even went to bat for Ray claiming the penalty is excessive and believing that Ray is really a good kid who deserves a 2nd chance.

I think there are two issues.

The (1) violation....and the (2) penalty.

I don't disagree he committed the violation, and it is disappointing that he did.

But the penalty is severe and excessive.
What do you want to bet that the first time such a violation occurs to a JJ Redick or a Joakim Noah, that the NCAA backs off and revises the panalty.
If a kid got his arm cut off for stealing, it has nothing to do with the crime being a crime, it is just way too harsh of a penalty.
Does anyone really think this particular penalty is fair and reasonable?
If they are going to have these kinds of severe penalties, then why not apply them also to the kids caught in campus break-ins, caught with drugs, drunk driving, slapping girlfriends, making improper phone calls using school credit cards, and taking $10,000 "unrepayable loans" from school boosters?

The penalty may be excessive, but we shouldn't expect any breaks from the NCAA no matter how right we may be. We were lucky they let us keep our name, and that's probably the only break we're ever going to get from them.

[flipper]

i agree with tornado. i wonder this would have still happened if we hadn't made the sweet sixteen. seems like if a mid-major has some success the ncaa looks for ways to knock them down.

[georgethedog]

I hope Ray keeps his head up. Sounds like a victimless crime.

the ncca is a joke. ray smokes a little weed, a victimless crime, and gets a year suspension. siu's tatum gets a dui and the ncaa does nothing. tatum's act could have killed an innocent person. doesn't seem even close to being fair.

just seems like the ncaa is picking on bu. first the pob and franklin mess and now this. boo ncaa.

You forgot, Ray could have gotten in a car and killed someone too... Or, if he wasn't caught and punished he may have continued and got into worse trouble.

c'mon. get real. he didn't drive a car. smoking a little weed is probably less harmful than the binge drinking down on farmington road or the frat houses.you'd think people would be more educated on pot in 2006.

Come on... Get real... He could have been driving a car! Were you with him the only time he smoked to see that he didn't? You sound like a college student, so I can assume that I was educated on pot long before you were born. Most of us experienmented back in the 70's during high school, but most of us were smart enough to stop before college so we didn't do something to screw up our lives. The ones that were not smart enough normally screwed their lives up to some extent and many are now working at the local convienent store at age 40! Apparently you will only understand that after you live a little longer and gain some more insight into life. Oh, and by the way, Lakeview Brave you are 100% correct on all accounts!

[lefty]

...
It is an embarrassment::

It is.
And BU can revoke the scholarship, but as noted in the article, they have chosen not to, and they even went to bat for Ray claiming the penalty is excessive and believing that Ray is really a good kid who deserves a 2nd chance.

I think there are two issues.

The (1) violation....and the (2) penalty.

I don't disagree he committed the violation, and it is disappointing that he did.

But the penalty is severe and excessive.
What do you want to bet that the first time such a violation occurs to a JJ Redick or a Joakim Noah, that the NCAA backs off and revises the panalty.
If a kid got his arm cut off for stealing, it has nothing to do with the crime being a crime, it is just way too harsh of a penalty.
Does anyone really think this particular penalty is fair and reasonable?
If they are going to have these kinds of severe penalties, then why not apply them also to the kids caught in campus break-ins, caught with drugs, drunk driving, slapping girlfriends, making improper phone calls using school credit cards, and taking $10,000 "unrepayable loans" from school boosters?

My question T..is if the NCAA conducts the testing and you fail is it an automatic one year suspension? If they make that known to all then it wouldn't make any difference who failed in one of their tests. RB was one of 152 tested and he was the only one who failed. If schools know the penalties going in then you suffer the consequences

[flipper]

I hope Ray keeps his head up. Sounds like a victimless crime.

the ncca is a joke. ray smokes a little weed, a victimless crime, and gets a year suspension. siu's tatum gets a dui and the ncaa does nothing. tatum's act could have killed an innocent person. doesn't seem even close to being fair.

just seems like the ncaa is picking on bu. first the pob and franklin mess and now this. boo ncaa.

You forgot, Ray could have gotten in a car and killed someone too... Or, if he wasn't caught and punished he may have continued and got into worse trouble.

c'mon. get real. he didn't drive a car. smoking a little weed is probably less harmful than the binge drinking down on farmington road or the frat houses.you'd think people would be more educated on pot in 2006.

Come on... Get real... He could have been driving a car! Were you with him the only time he smoked to see that he didn't? You sound like a college student, so I can assume that I was educated on pot long before you were born. Most of us experienmented back in the 70's during high school, but most of us were smart enough to stop before college so we didn't do something to screw up our lives. The ones that were not smart enough normally screwed their lives up to some extent and many are now working at the local convienent store at age 40! Apparently you will only understand that after you live a little longer and gain some more insight into life. Oh, and by the way, Lakeview Brave you are 100% correct on all accounts!

you are right. i am a college student but that still doesn't mean that i as uneducated about pot. to me, alcohol is more of a problem that pot. also, pot doesn't doesn't enhance a players performance. so who is he hurting?

[tornado]

..........RB was one of 152 tested and he was the only one who failed. If schools know the penalties going in then you suffer the consequences

lefty-
Had you ever heard of this regulation/rule before?
I know I hadn't and I'll bet not one of the people discussing it had either.
That doesn't make the NCAA unfair for imposing it, but my point is this.

The punishment SHOULD fit the crime.
Wherever punishments have not fit the crime (whippings for adultery, torture for political priosoners, etc) then it IS a fair issue to ask that the punishment be reviewed. In many cases the offender has made a fair case and won.
Jerry Tarkanian did, and so did those numerous athletes who were initially denied a 6th year to complete their eligibility but won on appeal.

I don't ask anyone to change their minds on my account, I just ask those to consider the severity of the penalty in this instance.
It is way, way out of proportion to any penalty for virtually any violation that the NCAA enforces.
It is an attampt to keep steroids out of the NCAA as the testing only occurs during the NCAA Tournament, but unfortunately Ray got caught in the dragnet.
I am simply going on record as saying I believe the penalty is excessive. Even the NCAA personnell quoted in the story agreed, but they were unwilling to change the penalty.
And how about the example of kids who were caught red handed with drugs, but still missed few or NO games?

Here, I have quoted these stories before---but none of these players got suspended that we know of............

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5102746

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5126171

As I said before, the first time Duke player or a UNC player loses a year due to this ruloe, I'll bet you'll see a change or a waiving of the penalty as quick as a blink.

By the way, here is the link to the story as it is on line now.

http://www.pjstar.com/stories/072206/BRA_BAEVVRNU.071.shtml