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  • Class title: BB 100; The art of wasting a timeout...

    As taught by, Jim Les.

    I will say this up front, I like Jim Les. And please do not turn this into a Jim Les bashing thread, but I have one significant problem with his coaching style...

    His timing for using timeouts is terrible. At least 2 separate times tonight, JL used a timeout in what I thought was a terrible time.

    Here is a good timeout JL called....
    14:08 Jonathan Cox missed Two Point Jumper. 43-37
    14:08 43-37 Chris Roberts Defensive Rebound.
    13:48 43-37 Chris Roberts missed Two Point Jumper.
    13:48 Jonathan Cox Defensive Rebound. 43-37
    13:36 Craig Stanley made Two Point Layup. 45-37
    13:18 45-37 Theron Wilson missed Two Point Jumper.
    13:18 Jonathan Cox Defensive Rebound. 45-37
    12:50 Josh Parker made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Jonathan Cox. 48-37
    12:43 Bradley 30 Second Timeout.

    This timeout stemmed the bleeding, and allowed us to get back on our feet. This is what the timeout should be used for.

    And here are the HORRIBLE timeouts...

    8:22 53-46 Sam Maniscalco made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Eddren McCain.
    7:42 Adam Templeton missed Three Point Jumper. 53-46
    7:42 53-46 Sam Singh Defensive Rebound.
    7:31 53-48 Theron Wilson made Two Point Jumper.
    7:27 Bradley 30 Second Timeout.

    A five point run, and the timeout kills all momentum. The crowd was into it! someone explain to me why you use a timeout in the middle of a 5-0 run when you are on the good side of it? What can't wait until the next dead ball for the media timeout?

    2:59 Jonathan Cox Defensive Rebound. 64-65
    2:40 Foul on Jonathan Cox 64-65
    2:40 Jonathan Cox Turnover. 64-65
    2:40 Bradley 30 Second Timeout.

    SM takes a charge and we have the momentum in the all important overtime... Once again 11,300 are on their feet screaming, then we silence the crowd ourselves. With the lead and the ball, and plenty of time left, why use a timeout? I know many will say it was to set up a play... And if it was, the play was horribly executed, but we did eventually get a 3 pointer.

    My point here is that JL in my eyes often does not use a timeout early enough to stem a run from an opposing team. Then, when we have momentum, JL seems to call a timeout to micromanage the game. My friends and i refer to this as the "wtf timeout", as we look at each other and go "wtf?".

    JL is a great coach and i feel he is improving by leaps and bounds, but please, please, please, please, use timeouts in a sensible way.
    Bradley Basketball... One Tradition; Underachievement. 2008-Current.

  • #2
    I think there were a couple timeouts called to maybe help rest the players as there was also a media timout coming but had not occured yet.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MacabreMob View Post
      I think there were a couple timeouts called to maybe help rest the players as there was also a media timout coming but had not occured yet.
      That was my feeling as well.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MacabreMob View Post
        I think there were a couple timeouts called to maybe help rest the players as there was also a media timout coming but had not occured yet.
        JL did confirm this during the postgame show. He said he was burning timeouts down the stretch just to give the boys some rest. I honestly don't think we subbed possibly the final 8 mins of regulation + both overtime periods.. A gutsy performance if you ask me! I thought the crowd was helpful in giving the boys some energy as well... We definately had the sixth man in effect! Looking forward to hopefully seeing each and everyone of you in STL..

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        • #5
          Agree. Those timeouts came at a time when the players are gassed and needed a break. You don't necessarily want to sub in because the combination on the floor is good, just tired. As a coach, I will often times call a timeout right after we get a turnover or a basket. The team comes in all juiced up and you can really build off the positive energy of those plays.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by bigdaddystuck View Post
            Agree. Those timeouts came at a time when the players are gassed and needed a break. You don't necessarily want to sub in because the combination on the floor is good, just tired. As a coach, I will often times call a timeout right after we get a turnover or a basket. The team comes in all juiced up and you can really build off the positive energy of those plays.
            I understand and do not disagree with the comment about giving the players a break, however, why after a turnover (I assume one that goes in your favor)? A timeout after a basket, fine. But I have a problem with momentum killing timeouts, ESPECIALLY midway during a game-changing 5-0 run when a media timeout is coming up at the next dead ball. Yes you can build off the energy of those plays, but you can really build off the energy of a 5-0 run wit 11,300 fans standing and screaming.
            Bradley Basketball... One Tradition; Underachievement. 2008-Current.

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            • #7
              I feel the same way as EMT and we were playing really good D at the time of one of the time outs and felt like we were giving the other coach the chance to set up a play. I know D takes a bit more indurance but I thought we had them there and I'd rather of called the TO after we made a stop perhaps.
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              • #8
                I understand your point and can understand your frustration as well. Agree that JL is making positive steps and continues to get better and better.
                Some see a hopeless end, while others see an endless hope.

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