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**houstontxbrave** · 02-23-2009, 11:56 AM

JL is not on any hot seat. He has done a very good job this season to adjusting to the personal he has and was not anticipating using for the balance of this season. He also has shown to be a confident recruiter and wants nothing more then to win games. I hate the injury excuse, but this season it is definite as it was the year Gilbert was hurt. But you play the hand you are given.

Lowery is on a hot seat because the fans in Carbondale are "NUTS". Other then him I dont think any Valley coach is on any type of hot seat.

And BU going anywhere near D2 is just stupid talk.

**southpaw nothin** · 02-23-2009, 12:00 PM

Well it doesn't look like the discussion was started by a frequent poster to the board, and the consensus is that he is not on the hot seat.

But it is an interesting thread to read.

**Murph** · 02-23-2009, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by houstontxbrave View Post

JL is not on any hot seat.

And BU going anywhere near D2 is just stupid talk.

I agree, Les is safe for a few more years at least.

If you read Wesslers DII comment that I quoted him on he's saying Bradley may have no say in the matter...

I believe Bradley must position itself as consistently high quality, to be prepared for the inevitable day when NCAA Division I basketball gets officially redefined. Otherwise, BU could get packed off to D-II, or something like it.

**jeffsu** · 02-23-2009, 12:07 PM

Right... out of the 343 (ish?) D-I programs... BRADLEY is in danger of becoming D-II? Wade through the garbage posts, folks... Theres arguably 200-250 other groups that would become D-II first.

Unbelievable that any of this is even any bit of discussion... disappoints me that some people can't think slightly logically. Respect level = down.

And yes, I know some of you are just reporting what you saw on the PJStar board... but some of you buy into that post's hype.

**houstontxbrave** · 02-23-2009, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Murph View Post

I agree, Les is safe for a few more years at least.

If you read Wesslers DII comment that I quoted him on he's saying Bradley may have no say in the matter...

I believe Bradley must position itself as consistently high quality, to be prepared for the inevitable day when NCAA Division I basketball gets officially redefined. Otherwise, BU could get packed off to D-II, or something like it.

This is just my personal opinion but I have said it before on here, eventually the NCAA is going to just go BCS and a few (very few) select others for D1 or whatever they want to call it. Memphis, Gonzaga, Butlers etc who bring in viewers and money might be included. I understand what Wessler says because I do not think it is all the far off or far fetched.

BU and the Valley simply do not bring the attention or better said money that the BCS's of the world bring or want or demand. And the Valley takes this money from the BCS. They do not want to share. The upgrading the profile is essential to Bradley to stay with the "Jones's" of college basketball.

The NCAA tourney within 10 years will not reflect what we see today. It is a prediction that I believe they want, ESPN, CBS also wants. The haves tourney and the have not tourney.

Just like College Football... they have the haves, (including the Bowl games) and the others IE the teams that dont play in bowls but play in a 16 team play off.

**lake Camelot** · 02-23-2009, 12:17 PM

Bradley would have to be borderline retarded to fire Les unless he has a couple losing seasons in a row. We are not UCLA. We are one of the better programs in the Valley regardless of what the won-loss record shows. We aren't at the Creighton level but we aren't that far away from having great seasons.

**BradleyBrave** · 02-23-2009, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by lake Camelot View Post

Bradley would have to be borderline retarded to fire Les unless he has a couple losing seasons in a row. We are not UCLA. We are one of the better programs in the Valley regardless of what the won-loss record shows. We aren't at the Creighton level but we aren't that far away from having great seasons.

Explain.

**Da Coach** · 02-23-2009, 12:53 PM

What programs would you consider "better"?
I'll accept CU and SIU, though SIU is way down this year.
ISU has had 2 decent years, with no NCAA tournament, and only 1 postseason win to show for it. Prior to that there were a bunch of last place or near-last place finishes. If this was Bradley's situation most here would not be happy.
UNI has been down for several years, though this season they have surprised, but I don't see them going anywhere in the postseason.
Drake has had one miracle season, and one-and-done in the NCAA. No way I would take their situation over BU.
MSU is way down.
WSU hasn't done anything since their Sweet 16 season.
UE and InSU surely aren't in this discussion.

**dogsrus** · 02-23-2009, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by southpaw nothin View Post

Well it doesn't look like the discussion was started by a frequent poster to the board, and the consensus is that he is not on the hot seat.

But it is an interesting thread to read.

Thank you....ONE poster that said he has been a BU fan for 50 years pointed out "BU is not what they used to be" and in his opinion we can't recruit or compete at the D1 level. I told him he must have missed the KU and Pitt games.....

Most fans responding to his contention or suggestion of dropping to D1 quickly shot him or that idea down.

Kirk wrote a very good post in response.

**lake Camelot** · 02-23-2009, 01:02 PM

Explanation

I think Creighton is the only program above us. I think SIU has been for a few years but not over the long haul. The only other program I consider close is Wichita. They have nice facilities,great fan support and have just been down for a few years. It hasn't been that long since they were good.

So I think we have a program in much better shape than most of the Valley.

**BradleyBrave** · 02-23-2009, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by lake Camelot View Post

I think Creighton is the only program above us. I think SIU has been for a few years but not over the long haul. The only other program I consider close is Wichita. They have nice facilities,great fan support and have just been down for a few years. It hasn't been that long since they were good.

So I think we have a program in much better shape than most of the Valley.

What do you term 'the long haul'? SIU went to 6 straight NCAA Tournaments, and then an NIT last year. They also made a Sweet 16 during that run. They've dominated the league and gained national recognition over the last decade. If that's not the 'long haul', I don't know what is.

**lake Camelot** · 02-23-2009, 01:25 PM

By the way

That doesn't mean I think everything Les does is right. I would change a lot of things he does, but there is no need to change. Why AT gets no playing time when we will need him next year I really don't get. Even if he is not good enough at this point. It would help to get him some minutes.

**thefish7** · 02-23-2009, 01:25 PM

Yeah looking at the records, it looks to me like SIU's been a fairly "top" MVC program since they've joined the conference. Ignoring this year, I'd say their program is ahead of ours-- particularly when you look at the last 10 years.

But after CU and SIU, you have, I guess, BU and WSU in the second tier. As far as basketball goes anyway.

**BradleyBrave** · 02-23-2009, 01:29 PM

I'm not advocating a firing, and quite frankly think any talk of that is stupid. However, the more schools that take home conference titles and make NCAA appearances before we do will make that drum beat louder. If we haven't won the league or the conference tournament by the time Andrew Warren graduates, we may need to assess where this program is heading. Right now, I think the arrow is pointing up, I really do.

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