Hot Seat

[Scouter]

DU
15-3
6-12
5-13
7-11
7-11

BU
9-9
10-8
11-7
6-12
7-11

No, no... you're right.

Yeah, I wasn't quite sure how he figured that either.

[southpaw nothin]

SIU has 9 NCAA Tournament appearances in 17 years (assuming they don't win the MVCT this year).

[Biff]

Lake Camelot is correct. Most of SIUs success has only been this past decade or so. Their longer-term basketball history cannot hold a candle to Bradley's. I really wish people wouldn't ridicule others' opinions here.

And Drake has only had 1 good year in the past 25 years. Prior to 2007, they hadn't even had a winning season since the 80's. I sincerely doubt anyone here would be happy with Bradley if they had just 1 good year in the last 25 years. And Drake was 0 for the 2008 NCAA tournament. Bradley has a Sweet 16 run that puts Drakes season to shame.

UNI had a nice run under McDermott, but they were pretty bad for a lot of years before that, and haven't made the NCAA again since 2006 when they were also one and done.
I wouldn't trade where Bradley is for any other school's situation now except Creighton. They are what all MVC teams strive to be.

[southpaw nothin]

DU
15-3
6-12
5-13
7-11
7-11

BU
9-9
10-8
11-7
6-12
7-11

No, no... you're right.

Well, one could certainly argue those years Drake was building towards something.

[BradleyBrave]

Lake Camelot is correct. Most of SIUs success has only been this past decade or so. Their longer-term basketball history cannot hold a candle to Bradley's.

So you would rather have 2 NCAA appearances in the last 17 years as opposed to 9 in the last 17 years like SIU has had?

[southpaw nothin]

Lake Camelot is correct. Most of SIUs success has only been this past decade or so. Their longer-term basketball history cannot hold a candle to Bradley's. I really wish people wouldn't ridicule others' opinions here.

And Drake has only had 1 good year in the past 25 years. Prior to 2007, they hadn't even had a winning season since the 80's. I sincerely doubt anyone here would be happy with Bradley if they had just 1 good year in the last 25 years. And Drake was 0 for the 2008 NCAA tournament. Bradley has a Sweet 16 run that puts Drakes season to shame.

UNI had a nice run under McDermott, but they were pretty bad for a lot of years before that, and haven't made the NCAA again since 2006 when they were also one and done.
I wouldn't trade where Bradley is for any other school's situation now except Creighton. They are what all MVC teams strive to be.

SIU came from the "College" division and has been DI a little more than 30 years, but have seldom been terrible. They won the 1967 NIT as a smaller division school.

[MacabreMob]

Well, one could certainly argue those years Drake was building towards something.

Yea... you could really see it building. That dip from 7 conference wins down to 5 then up to 6.... Everyone KNEW they were gonna be a "world-beater". LOL!

[southpaw nothin]

Yea... you could really see it building. That dip from 7 conference wins down to 5 then up to 6.... Everyone KNEW they were gonna be a "world-beater". LOL!

I know tornado and squirrel saw it coming. Drake's numbers against BU in 2007 were better than anybody elses.

[MacabreMob]

I know tornado and squirrel saw it coming. Drake's numbers against BU in 2007 were better than anybody elses.

So 1 year was the indicator. Those other 3 were just nothing. Or does 3 bad years... one bad-but/full/of/indicators/something/goods/coming... and one good year means a program has more stability than another in a 5 year span?

Ok, man. Whatever you say.

[BradleyBrave]

I know tornado and squirrel saw it coming. Drake's numbers against BU in 2007 were better than anybody elses.

Early on in JL's tenure, Drake and Dr. Tom owned us. The 2 years we played in under Les, it was primarily because Drake swept us both years. If we just took care of business at home against Drake, we don't play in. Even the Sweet 16 year we couldn't win at lowly Drake.

[lake Camelot]

Saying that SIU has not been a better program than us "over the long haul" is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have read on this board in quite a while (and that is really saying something).
Really? You think our results over the past 5, 10 years are superior to SIU's results? Oh my.

OK, maybe they have been a little more successfull than us the last 15 years. But we have been in contention at the top of the conference most of that time. I have a hard time blocking out my time there at SIU. I went there when Rich Herrin was coach and before Weber. They turned it around at that time. They had a very good team my Senior year. But the crowd support and the Arena and the whole program just seemed to be a step down from us. They have it rolling now (except this year) and I always hear people say they have one of the best atmospheres in the Valley. I just can't picture it because they didn't seem to have much of a strong core of fans when I went there.

[dogsrus]

First of all, I started the thread, and while I don't post a lot, most of the regulars around here know I've been posting on here for the last three years. Secondly, absolutely nowhere did I even mention D2, nor the fact that I think JL should go. I simply stated what his record was, and that it would not be good enough at alot of high profile programs. For what it's worth, I think he's done OK.

I later posted that head coach at BU is a plum job, and stated my case why this is so.

You are correct...the guy that said BU should go DII chimed in later after the thread was started. I think T meant the guy who started that "thought" (going D1).

[SFP]

southpaw nothin I'm not sure what you are trying to really prove and your motivation because your rational is a bit off IMO.

On the NCAA changing the scenery, I'd bet that they would not try too curtail the number of members, to share the revenue, that the BCS boys believe is theirs rightfully. The one difference in basketball is that the little guy does have a chance to compete and the vast number of the basketball fan population would be outraged if their teams were left off the ability to go to the dance. The outrage would be so big that I believe there would be a huge financial backlash. Now if they are smart and do this piece by piece (over a decade) then most of the population would not know it is happening. The problem just like the rest of our society they are thinking about immediate financial gains and I believe they will not have the will power to change the status quo. Sounds like our congress!

JL is not on the hot seat and if the team does what I think they are capable the next two years then BU will be on the hot seat in retaining him.

[Scouter]

I would say CU, SIU, DU (under Davis & Son), and UNI were all more stable programs than BU over the past 5 seasons.

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SIU came from the "College" division and has been DI a little more than 30 years, but have seldom been terrible. They won the 1967 NIT as a smaller division school.

So now we're going from comparing schools in the last five years to the last 30 years? I think we can all agree SIU has had a better program than BU in the last five years.

[southpaw nothin]

southpaw nothin I'm not sure what you are trying to really prove and your motivation because your rational is a bit off IMO.

On the NCAA changing the scenery, I'd bet that they would not try too curtail the number of members, to share the revenue, that the BCS boys believe is theirs rightfully. The one difference in basketball is that the little guy does have a chance to compete and the vast number of the basketball fan population would be outraged if their teams were left off the ability to go to the dance. The outrage would be so big that I believe there would be a huge financial backlash. Now if they are smart and do this piece by piece (over a decade) then most of the population would not know it is happening. The problem just like the rest of our society they are thinking about immediate financial gains and I believe they will not have the will power to change the status quo. Sounds like our congress!

JL is not on the hot seat and if the team does what I think they are capable the next two years then BU will be on the hot seat in retaining him.

I agree with you entirely, except the fact of the matter is football controls everything (and IMO is coming dangerously close to ruining college sports across the board), and any attempts to continually "level the playing field" so to speak only increases the likelihood those leagues walk and go off on their own.

I do agree there would be a serious backlash if they do, but that doesn't mean they won't.