From the Shockers' website

[Da Coach]

Here is what Kirk Wessler said in a post on the PJ Star board--

Game-ending shot. Really bad form. As I said in the blog, though, I don't think Roberts was doing it maliciously. But that has to be drilled into them. They actually did the same thing last week, only a little bit earlier. Bradley got possession with the shot clock turned off -- I think there were 20-plus seconds left -- and pushed it up the court for a shot. I figured that would get addressed and emphasized: Don't do that stuff. Shut it down and dribble it out. And then it happens again, in this fashion. To make matters worse, Marshall was not in a forgiving mood. He even went up to Roberts after the game and expressed his displeasure in, shall we say, language not fit for print. To me, that's bush. Les had apologized to Marshall immediately after the game, and that's where Marshall should have left it. You don't go up to another guy's player and chew on him like that. Chew on the coach for not properly training the kid if you think that's the problem, but not the kid.


OK, now tell me who is lacking in sportsmanship?

[lefty]

season ticket holders live and die by the free ribeye promotion

i have had two different people call me this season asking if i had a winning ticket i didnt use

oh for Pete's sake "live or die"? I've use it once in all the years it's been going on.

I agree with much that's been said

Marshall has more to worry about

It's not a HUGE deal

I know if the shoe were on the other foot some here would be complaining

But CR sholdn't have shot it either. BU doesn't play games to see that the fans win a steak promo

[Double D]

We sit near the visitors bench. I said it after last years game and I'll say it again, I am not impressed with Gregg Marshall.

I have sat on many different benches at many levels of basketball. I worked for the Valley for several years and had the opportunity to observe some of the best valley coaches (Spoonhour, Barone, Herrin, Tubby Smith, etc.) up close and during games.

The good ones are "connected" with their staff, their players and have a "reasonable" working relationship with the officials. They will often get after a player or official, but they shift quickly back to that focused mode. Gregg Marshall exhibits none of these qualities.

Marshall is a head case during games, he is yelling and giving cross stares to players on his own bench (they aren't even in the game!). The way he behaved in cursing at Chris Roberts doesn't surprise me.

This is JMHO I am sure some with a better perspective may disagree.

Da Coach...I know you sit much closer to the visitors bench than I, what do you see?

[Da Coach]

What I saw was similar to your discussion, he was doing a lot of yelling at officials and his own players.
Occasionally he would turn to one of his assistants and ask what happened on the floor, because he would miss stuff.

I saw no problem with the effort of the Wichita players, but their offense left some to be desired. They just don't seem to ever cut or pass with the intent of creating better shots. They rely on individual players' athleticism to get their points, and against a good, well prepared defense they will struggle to score.

[houstontxbrave]

I cant believe how upset the WSU fans are about the shot that Roberts made. Its like the entire game hinged on that one last possession. Their board is 17 pages of mostly complaining about what Roberts did.

Look what Roberts did probably was not right but he did it and honestly it was a hope and miracle it went in, if he would have went to the rim and tomahawk dunked then everyone has a right to be po'd.

But, I am disgusted by the fact that their coach thinks it is ok to verbally abuse Roberts. If there is diginity in winning with class there certainly is diginity in losing with class. He is an adult and needs to act like one. You do not ever have the right to verbally abuse a player, let alone one who is not on your own team. I believe the Valley needs to invesitgate his actions towards Roberts and if it is deemed he used inapporpriate words he should be suspended.

Why would it be ok for him to cuss out or verbally abuse Roberts in that moment, but if he would have done it in the flow of the game or when Roberts was walking to the huddle before a timeout it would not have been acceptable?

I think his actions are what need to be put under the microscope.

[lefty]

I cant believe how upset the WSU fans are about the shot that Roberts made. Its like the entire game hinged on that one last possession. There board is 17 pages of mostly complaining about what Roberts did.

Look what Roberts did probably was not right but he did it and honestly it was a hope and miracle it went in, if he would have went to the rim and tomahawk dunked then everyone has a right to be po'd.

But, I am disgusted by the fact that their coach thinks it is ok to verbally abuse Roberts. If there is diginity in winning with class there certainly is diginity in losing with class. He is an adult and needs to act like one. You do not ever have the right to verbally abuse a player, let alone one who is not on your own team. I beleive the Valley needs to invesitgate his actions towards Roberts and if it is deemed he used inapporpriate words he should be suspended.

Why would it be ok for him to cuss out or verbally abuse Roberts in the moment, but if he would have done it in the flow of the game or when Roberts was walking to the huddle before a timeout it would not have been acceptable?

I think his actions are what need to be put under the microscope.

I agree

[georgethedog]

When I bowled on the professional bowlers tour for a short time years ago and I was bowling someone in a match play game and they were beating the crap out of me (or the other way around) they (or I) did not "throw off" in the last frame--we would just keep trying hard and if we threw 3 more strikes and killed the guy that's just the way it goes. People need to grow up. If you get a beat down, take it. And if you get a chance for one, do it. So what, Roberts made the WSU coach mad, on the other hand he really made a lot of PAYING fans happy. Is BU basketball about making the opposing coach happy or making PAYING fans happy? If WSU doesn't like it, get better!

[dogsrus]

To me Marshall needed to express his opinion on the shot to JL and then move on. JL apologized. Stay away from other teams players which to me was a bigger mistake then what Roberts made.

Marshall has bigger fish to fry like getting his team playing better as they have been then to make a big deal about this non issue.

If I would have been him when asked about the shot I would have said...."I've got more importaint issues to be concerned about then some kid shooting a meaningless three to get BU fans a free steak"

[dogsrus]

[QUOTE=houstontxbrave;114708]I cant believe how upset the WSU fans are about the shot that Roberts made.

To be fair it seems about 50-50.....as many fans have said its no big deal as have complained from what I read.

[Braves4Life]

We sit near the visitors bench. I said it after last years game and I'll say it again, I am not impressed with Gregg Marshall.

Greg Marshall will leap for the first higher profile job that comes along. If he can somehow get one "hot" year out of his "dogs" (at least that's how he treats his players) and become a hot item again like he was at Winthrop he'll be gone.

You sure left a legacy at Winthrop didn't you Greggie? That program is now in shambles thanks to his overzealousness to recruit Jucos and win immediately. Now that Peele is at Winthrop he can rebuild that program the right way.

[pfunk880]

I hate promotions that involve the final score, because it ultimately leads to garbage like this happening. No place for it in basketball.

That being said, I think WSU is definitely making way to much of an issue. If I was on that side of the fence, I would have a little bit of a beef but it would pass quickly (I've seen this sort of situation happen with other teams I've rooted for). Heck, it really didn't seem like CR put much effort into the shot at all (though he is a D-I basketball player who was unguarded).

So it was definitely not a shot that should have been taken, but it's also not a huge issue in my mind. I agree with those who have said that Marshall has bigger fish to fry, and that the classlessness of his remarks towards CR far exceeds the classlessness of CR taking the shot.

[OrangeandBlack74]

Marshall is just a whiner and complainer. He never seems satisfied with any call made by an official, much like the former coach at UNI. The last second shot by CR just gave him something else to complain about, which seems to be his preference in life.

Grow up Coach Marshall. I think he owes an apology to CR and BU for his childish behavior!

[BUFAN]

I have to defend JL on this one. He is probabley as upset with CR as Marshall, he knows bb etiquette an demonstrates a lot of class. It is however a mark against him in the view of our opponents and his critics...

[Bravesfan]

What I saw was similar to your discussion, he was doing a lot of yelling at officials and his own players.
Occasionally he would turn to one of his assistants and ask what happened on the floor, because he would miss stuff.

I saw no problem with the effort of the Wichita players, but their offense left some to be desired. They just don't seem to ever cut or pass with the intent of creating better shots. They rely on individual players' athleticism to get their points, and against a good, well prepared defense they will struggle to score.

Their offense was bad probably because their players are so nervous about making mistakes. Bob Knight could get away with that behavior for years because his teams won, he graduated most of his players and he ran a clean program. And the "screamer" type coaches work well with some players who may have discipline problems who need someone like this to kick them into shape. However, the best coaches adapt to the different types of personalities that make up their team.

I don't agree that the "military" approach does not work anymore because we live in a different era. However, I do think coaches need to disipline players based on effort and not because they feel they have to run their team like a boot camp. Good coaches lay into the players if they don't give a good effort, but they also encourage players when the effort is good. I think Les demonstrates this perfectly. When his team "dogs" it, he will be the first to admit that the effort was not there.

Now to tie this into Marshall's crying and moaning last night, he took his displeasure out on the wrong people, plus he did not have the decency to let things go because he acted like a spoiled kid who did not get his dessert! He's got bigger problems to deal with like trying to keep his team out of the cellar this year. I don't think screaming at one of our players, even if this player was wrong, is what he should be doing. That was a classless act, and an absolute violation of decorum that will not be forgotten by our players and coaches if we end up playing them again in the Valley tournament.

[SFP]

That was a classless act, and an absolute violation of decorum that will not be forgotten by our players and coaches if we end up playing them again in the Valley tournament.

and fans.