Another postseason tournament to compete with CBI

[MacabreMob]

I had a thread from the end of last season showing the teams that didn't participate in a post-season tourney. Here's that list with RPI, Conf Record and then overall record:

67 Ga Tech 7-9/15-17
69 IUPUI 15-3/26-7
71 Tx Tech 7-9/16-15
86 Wright St 12-6/21-10
98 SamHou 10-6/23-8
100 WF 7-9/17-13
102 NC St 4-12/15-16
103 Illini 5-13/16-19
106 S Miss 9-7/19-14
109 Prov 6-12/15-16
111 MTnSt 11-7/17-15
112 CS-Nor 12-4/20-10
113 Ala 5-11/17-16
114 SH 7-11/17-15
115 Marist 11-7/18-14
117 Nia 12-6/19-10
119 W Mich 12-4/20-12
122 Mo St 8-10/17-16
124 NM St 12-4/21-14
127 UNCW 12-6/20-13
128 InSt 8-10/15-16
130 BC 4-12/14-17
131 Duq 7-9/17-13
133 UNI 9-9/18-14
136 UIC 9-9/18-15
137 St Louis 7-9/16-15
138 S Carol 5-11/14-18
140 Pacific 11-5/21-10
141 NTex 10-8/20-11
142 Loy-Md 12-6/19-14
144 Marsh 8-8/16-14
147 WiGB 9-9/15-15
151 Lamar 13-3/19-11
152 UC-Irvine 9-7/18-16
153 Aub 4-12/14-16
155 Penn St 7-11/15-16
156 Wm&M 10-8/17-16
157 St J's 5-13/11-19
158 Depaul 6-12/11-19
160 Tulane 6-10 /7-15
161 Colo 3-13/12-20
162 UCF 9-7/16-15
163 LaSalle 8-8/15-17
167 AF 8-8/16-14
168 Fordham 6-10/12-17
171 Mich 5-13/10-22
173 LSU 6-10/13-18
174 UALR 11-7/20-11
179 Ia St 4-12/14-18
180 SFla 3-15/12-19
182 ULLaf 11-7/15-15
191 Iowa 6-12/13-19
210 Rutgers 3-15/11-20

[MacabreMob]

I should mention... I think that list I compiled was of all BCS schools and then teams with .500 or better records.

[Bradleyguy10]

The NCAA could be in trouble. There are several scenarios out there where they could be sued under anti-trust laws and they may be forced to open the books, which would bring down the whole show. My only hope for the organization being run on the up-and-up is for someone with integrity taking over for Myles Brand. Unfortunately, I fear the organization is run now similar to the way the country is run, by money and special interests. I can hope, but as Red said in Shawshank 'Hope is a dangerous thing'.

I've been thinking about that the past few days....the feasibility of the NCAA being sued. I know absolutely nothing about law so I would have no idea about the charges but I just feel some accountability for the way things are going in the NCAA and within college athletics is in order. I just laugh whenever I see the stupid commercials by the NCAA talking about how they are "student" athletes where the student comes first. Plain ridiculous...I hate hypocrites.

[TheAsianSensation]

Random sidenote: I could see the .500 rule repealed for some of the lesser tournaments. And by lesser, I mean NIT.

Think about: Who's more deserving, a 15-17 (7-9) Georgia Tech out of the #1 conferece, or Southern Miss 19-14 (9-7) out of a much weaker conference? I'd almost argue that GT has the better resume, at least in this shallow analysis. RPI includes SoS, and notice how GT has an RPI way, way up there in the 60s.

While it's blasphemy to say this on a mid-major message board, I'd rather reward a 7-9 ACC record that includes unbalanced league scheduling than a, say, 9-9 MVC record. But it's close.

With all the lesser tournaments, the NIT is more freer to not worry about snubbing 20-win mid major teams.

[Bravesfan]

The NCAA could be in trouble. There are several scenarios out there where they could be sued under anti-trust laws and they may be forced to open the books, which would bring down the whole show. My only hope for the organization being run on the up-and-up is for someone with integrity taking over for Myles Brand. Unfortunately, I fear the organization is run now similar to the way the country is run, by money and special interests. I can hope, but as Red said in Shawshank 'Hope is a dangerous thing'.

I don't live in Baku, it's just where my current engagement has taken me. The last 72 hours have taken me to Washington DC, London, Frankfurt, and now Baku. I won't be here much longer, right now my future location is still classified. However, I can say that I have some 'Redemption' on my mind starting next week...

Ah yes. "Redemption" was a worthwhile mission, and it didn't take 24 hours to complete either.

Hey, that would be great if the NCAA was sued, but I'm not counting on that either. But if it happened I would just sit back and enjoy the show!

[Bravesfan]

Random sidenote: I could see the .500 rule repealed for some of the lesser tournaments. And by lesser, I mean NIT.

Think about: Who's more deserving, a 15-17 (7-9) Georgia Tech out of the #1 conferece, or Southern Miss 19-14 (9-7) out of a much weaker conference? I'd almost argue that GT has the better resume, at least in this shallow analysis. RPI includes SoS, and notice how GT has an RPI way, way up there in the 60s.

While it's blasphemy to say this on a mid-major message board, I'd rather reward a 7-9 ACC record that includes unbalanced league scheduling than a, say, 9-9 MVC record. But it's close.

With all the lesser tournaments, the NIT is more freer to not worry about snubbing 20-win mid major teams.

Watch it. You're sounding a lot like the ESPN pundits when they talk up their BCS teams over mid-major teams! But I see your point and it would make sense to help strengthen the field. We all know that Southern Miss had one of the worst non-conference schedules that I have ever seen, and this year LSU's is just as awful as well. Any record close to .500 and LSU should be banished to the CI.com tournament this year, IF they're lucky!

The good thing about a fourth postseason tournament though is that some of these under .500 BCS teams could see action, as well as a team like IUPUI that got snubbed last year with 26 wins. I don't care how weak their schedule was, but leaving a team with 26 wins out of postseason is terrible. I thought they were offered a CBI spot but they didn't want to pay the entrance fee. With the CI.com tournament sponsors will foot the bill, so that would be good for teams like IUPUI that have great records but can't draw the fans that would help them make money.

[doug shank's crossover]

Think of these tournaments as similar to the Coaches vs. Cancer, Las Vegas Classic, or the South Padre Island tournaments.

They are not meant to compete with the NCAA or even the NIT tournaments, and nobody is suggesting that the winner of the CBI or this CollegeInsider.com tournament has any claim to national prominence.

It is simply a means for programs from smaller conferences to play games against other opponents, maybe some from big conferences, and get recognized a little.

Bradley would otherwise never be given a chance to play a Big East school like Cincinnati at home, or have a chance to play an ACC school like Virginia at all. As long as midmajor schools are willing to risk losing money, it is a good thing for them. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see conference like the Big East and the ACC tell their members to stay out of them, for fear of being embarrassed by a Bradley.

"Recognized a little" is exactly right. Nobody outside of alumni and a small group of niche fans watch such games. Mediocre vs. mediocre isn't good for anybody....to quote Dan Bernstein: Bad, bad, bad.

[BUBraves2006]

Good news, is ... if we get relegated to another second rate tourney ... we can claim these wins again to pad our win total up to 20 ... gotta keep that streak alive somehow.

I really hope we're not in a position again this year (or any year in the near future), wondering if we are going to play in the CBI or CIT tourney ... let's just play well enough to make the NCAA or NIT. Please!

[MacabreMob]

"Recognized a little" is exactly right. Nobody outside of alumni and a small group of niche fans watch such games. Mediocre vs. mediocre isn't good for anybody....to quote Dan Bernstein: Bad, bad, bad.

As long as there is Sports Betting and sports to bet on... there will be an audience.

[MacabreMob]

Good news, is ... if we get relegated to another second rate tourney ... we can claim these wins again to pad our win total up to 20 ... gotta keep that streak alive somehow.

I really hope we're not in a position again this year (or any year in the near future), wondering if we are going to play in the CBI or CIT tourney ... let's just play well enough to make the NCAA or NIT. Please!

I think we can and WILL get to 20 (+) wins cause of the post-season.

That'll drive some people just bonkers.

Maybe we should turn down a post-season bid to a 2nd-rate Tourney so some other program can get to 20 (+) wins and then those people can put it in Bradley Fan's face sometime down the road on how they have more wins than Bradley... blah, blah, blah....

We're never happy.

[doug shank's crossover]

As long as there is Sports Betting and sports to bet on... there will be an audience.

I stand corrected....you are exactly right! But you could argue that's a "nitch" following....

[MacabreMob]

I stand corrected....you are exactly right! But you could argue that's a "nitch" following....

Yes - agreed. And figured you meant that before I posted... I just wanted to mention Sports Betting. Not that I do that and not that there is anything wrong with that.

[amettrick]

Personally, I don't think the 20 win mark means nearly as much as it did even 5 years ago. With all the extra in-season tournaments bumping the number of regular-season games up to the 29-30 range plus these new extra postseason tourneys, it's suddenly much easier to reach 20 wins. These days, you've got to reach around 23 wins for it to mean what 20 wins used to.

[Bravesfan]

Good news, is ... if we get relegated to another second rate tourney ... we can claim these wins again to pad our win total up to 20 ... gotta keep that streak alive somehow.

I really hope we're not in a position again this year (or any year in the near future), wondering if we are going to play in the CBI or CIT tourney ... let's just play well enough to make the NCAA or NIT. Please!

Don't worry. I think we should be able to finish in the top 3 or 4 which should be good enough for the NIT.