ISU chant is %@$#&!

[Scouter]

We have finally got a ton of students interested in coming to the games- we kinda don't want to alienate them now that they are excited about Redbird Athletics.

Do you have any ideas on how to stop it Tornado? Ban all students who you see cussing, or threaten to? Then risk losing a portion of the student fan base that we have tried so hard (successfully) to get interested?

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If I had the option of having every student yell d*ck in a sold out arena every night, or having 5 of 6 student sections empty, and never hear it again... I would choose the sell out student section with cussing... maybe that isn't the way I "should" look at it... but it is and if I said anything different, I would be lying

If students decide to not come to games because they can't yell "d!%k" anymore, then you've got a bigger problem on your hands.

[SFP]

The best way to deal with it would be for Jank to grab a microphone and point the people out who are being so rude and disrespectful to the University. Public humiliation or the threat has historically been a great d?©tente.
For you Maryland haters GW did that after the Duke incident and I have seen Ratface at Duke ask the student body to refrain from some hurtful remarks regarding an opposing player where there was no bad language just areas where he thought the students' behavior would not show his school in a good light. If ISU wants to show their brand as being classless then it will just continue because it can be curtailed with just a little more calling out from the coaches to the Administration.

[ifarania]

I honestly didn't know what to think about this when it happened last year, I mean the students are college students, teenagers to young adults and they are gonna act like that. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say that it is ridiculous because Bradley students don't do that because I know that they have although maybe not to that extent. To be honest it bothers me to sit in the student section close to the visitors section and hear students yell obscenities, especially directed at a single players family, I often turn away embarrassed. But I figured I couldn't get mad over it at isu because some Bradley students do it too and just don't get caught. Sometimes the students need to remember that it is after all a BASKETBALL game. There is no need for the obscenities.

Just to be clear, not all Bradley students do this.

I am really kind of troubled to hear that this is your opinion. While the students heckle opposing players like crazy, they don't do it in a vulgar way. When someone hurls a personal insult that crosses the line, they get silenced by everyone else immediately... More and more, it has become funny and distracting material, almost absurd in character. The refs may or may not get a serious ear full, but it's nothing you couldn't hear on cable television. The student section at isu would barely be allowed on HBO.

Also, at isu, it's not just a few bad apples.. Every year I'm there, it's many, many rotten apples universally chanting the "you suck ----" chant and flipping us off, shouting 'FU BU', wearing the "Buck *******" shirts... Which I might add is the most ridiculously trite and subpar slogan possible. It takes real class and cognitive ability to switch two letters to form a clever insult.

If we (the student section) created a shirt, it would probably consist of an anagram, but that would just confuse the isu students too much.

WAIT! I've got it! If anyone can figure out this anagram, I'll buy you a soda or beer: Next year's BU vs isu t shirt: Sushi Sitar

[Guinness]

I am really kind of troubled to hear that this is your opinion. While the students heckle opposing players like crazy, they don't do it in a vulgar way. When someone hurls a personal insult that crosses the line, they get silenced by everyone else immediately... More and more, it has become funny and distracting material, almost absurd in character. The refs may or may not get a serious ear full, but it's nothing you couldn't hear on cable television. The student section at isu would barely be allowed on HBO.

Also, at isu, it's not just a few bad apples.. Every year I'm there, it's many, many rotten apples universally chanting the "you suck ----" chant and flipping us off, shouting 'FU BU', wearing the "Buck *******" shirts... Which I might add is the most ridiculously trite and subpar slogan possible. It takes real class and cognitive ability to switch two letters to form a clever insult.

If we (the student section) created a shirt, it would probably consist of an anagram, but that would just confuse the isu students too much.

WAIT! I've got it! If anyone can figure out this anagram, I'll buy you a soda or beer: Next year's BU vs isu t shirt: Sushi Sitar

Like tshirts that say "The only good bird is a dead bird" are helping....

It comes from both sides, everyone has different levels of morality. Just because society isnt at your level doesnt mean it is anyones crusade to make it so. Just ignore it.

[RedbirdFan21]

How is Buck ******* different the Pluck the Birds???? And please don't tell me because in Buck ******* the B and F are reversed... and in pluck the birds they are not...

How is FUBU different the I Screwed Up????

You have to keep everything in perseptive big guy...

The d*ck chant sucks...we know it, you know it,.. it is turning into the crappy schedule argument... its getting old... not just here, or our RBF- EVERYWHERE

[Guinness]

How is Buck ******* different the Pluck the Birds???? And please don't tell me because in Buck ******* the B and F are reversed... and in pluck the birds they are not...

How is FUBU different the I Screwed Up????

You have to keep everything in perseptive big guy...

The d*ck chant sucks...we know it, you know it,.. it is turning into the crappy schedule argument... its getting old... not just here, or our RBF- EVERYWHERE

I kind of have to agree with him. We cant have our cake and eat it too.

[RedbirdFan21]

This was just posted on RBF...

Hopefully it will help resolve the problem...

(Athletic Director) Zenger was just on the RC McBride Show on WJBC. He was asked about the chant. Zenger said they have worked with Red Alert and the student body president regarding this issue. The importance of the issue is one of the reasons he is here and not traveling with the men's team. They have composed a letter regarding the chant that will be published in the Vidette on Thursday, mailed to all Red Alert members, and taped to the seats of the student sections for the game on Saturday. He also said that they have recieved a letter from an 8 year old girl about the chant that they would include somewhere. When asked about further measures Zenger replied that he has some other tools at his disposal for the game but was going to keep those private unless needed. He tried to keep it positive regarding the generally good atmosphere and energy at the games but was clearly not happy. One of the positives he did mention is that we are on pace to break our attendance record.

[Da Coach]

All I can say is that it is about time he did something like this. Too bad an 8-year-old girl has more sense than some of those involved, and it takes that to get some action done.

[Rusty 54]

How is Buck ******* different the Pluck the Birds???? And please don't tell me because in Buck ******* the B and F are reversed... and in pluck the birds they are not...

How is FUBU different the I Screwed Up????

You have to keep everything in perseptive big guy...

The d*ck chant sucks...we know it, you know it,.. it is turning into the crappy schedule argument... its getting old... not just here, or our RBF- EVERYWHERE

Because the Star Transport issue and Bradley being "stuck up" are not getting old from isu fans (and I have not see you post those here). Maybe get off your high horse and stop those from going on and you will have more credibility telling us to stop

[ifarania]

Thank you, Rusty.

If you read it, I said in the post that our student section has gotten much better over the last couple of years in terms of numbers and class. I'm probably a bad example to use, but overall it's better.

Also, "I Screwed Up" isn't vulgar and is a nice little alternate expansion on the isu acronym. I didn't say we're perfect.. I held that we work a lot better with the families that come to carver than the isu kids do at their place.

[Fyrebyrd]

How is Buck ******* different the Pluck the Birds???? And please don't tell me because in Buck ******* the B and F are reversed... and in pluck the birds they are not...

How is FUBU different the I Screwed Up????

You have to keep everything in perseptive big guy...

The d*ck chant sucks...we know it, you know it,.. it is turning into the crappy schedule argument... its getting old... not just here, or our RBF- EVERYWHERE

I was going to avoid this thread all together, but this post caught my eye. The two redbird chants revolve heavily around an explicit. I don't need to explain that for that to be obvious. However, the two Bradley chants have nothing explicit at all. Unless some of you are considering Pluck the Birds to be explicit, which until you said this, I never had an inclination of this, not to mention we as a student section never had chanted that at all, let alone for it to be intended as an explicit. I Screwed Up is derrogatory, most chants are, but like I said there is no intent on throwing around explicits. I sure as heck don't expect an 8 year old to write in about someone saying the word screwed.

The point is, I Screwed Up and Pluck the Birds are not a play on explicit phrases. FU BU, and Buck ******* have every intention of giving that air.

[RedbirdFan21]

I honestly did not see ONE t-shirt at Carver saying anything about ISU...
I don't deny they exist, but the difference is in the sheer numerical disparity between the two, probably 100-fold to 1000-fold that the two phrases are used and promoted ...

Wellllllllllllll....one of the last 5 years I was at Carver (not sure which)... they either gave away towels or shirts that said Pluck the Birds... and that is a fact! So I am going to have to disagree with the above post...

And there is one small book store that used to sell Buck F*radley T-shirt several years ago (The two main bookstores on campus have NEVER sold Buck F*radley shirts...at least since the early 90's when my brothers were at ISU).

They did not sell them the 4 years I was a student there (03-07)... so I highly doubt you saw over 2000 of them last year. 80% of the students where the "Red Alert" shirt they are asked to wear. The rest are either not in the Red Alert, or chose not to wear it.

[Phantom]

Bottom line is that something official is finally being done about the cheer. This is in addition to the messages that were sent out to Red Alert members on facebook. It sucks that this couldn't be self-policed, but as I've said many times----tell students (especially drunk students) what NOT to do, and it still happens out of spite. That was the case for awhile last year anyway.

Hopefully this puts an end to it once and for all.

[Fyrebyrd]

Wellllllllllllll....one of the last 5 years I was at Carver (not sure which)... they either gave away towels or shirts that said Pluck the Birds... and that is a fact! So I am going to have to disagree with the above post...

And there is one small book store that used to sell Buck F*radley T-shirt several years ago (The two main bookstores on campus have NEVER sold Buck F*radley shirts...at least since the early 90's when my brothers were at ISU).

They did not sell them the 4 years I was a student there (03-07)... so I highly doubt you saw over 2000 of them last year. 80% of the students where the "Red Alert" shirt they are asked to wear. The rest are either not in the Red Alert, or chose not to wear it.

You're right, two years ago we received shirts and towels that said "Pluck the Birds"....where is the problem with that? I suppose the "Box the Birds" shirts were somehow problematic as well. I'm sorry, but only you find any problem with a shirt that says "Pluck the Birds." I am a 21 year old foul-minded senior who has sat in the senior section for a long time and I see nothing explicit in the saying "Pluck the Birds." Birds have feathers, feathers are plucked last time i checked. I'm sorry if you take offense to the fact that it coincidentally rhymes with an explicit word, you have to take that up with Merriam-Webster.

[Da Coach]

Letter to the editor of the ISU student newspaper from the student body president--

http://media.www.dailyvidette.com/media/storage/paper420/news/2009/01/29/Editorials/Letter.To.The.Editor-3602679.shtml