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    The charge foul is out of control.


    But really, it's called way too often. They need to make it a point of emphasis to NOT REWARD FLOPPING. It's ruining the game.

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    It's the ref's easy way out.
    What part of illegal don't you understand?

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      Originally posted by AE Braves Fan View Post
      The charge foul is out of control.


      But really, it's called way too often. They need to make it a point of emphasis to NOT REWARD FLOPPING. It's ruining the game.
      Absolutely correct. The art of driving to the basket in traffic has gone the way of the dinosaur. There is a huge difference between knocking the defense down and flopping and a good official should know the difference. If I were an official and the defense flopped, there would be no call, unless the offensive player deliberately lowered his shoulder to knock the defensive player out of the way.
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      • #4
        The charge call is called way too often when the offensive player is driving for a layup, goes up to shoot and a defender slides in.....just dont like that call there.
        Out front or in the open court it is much easier to see....down around the basket officials are too often out of position to make the correct call.

        As for DC's block calls....he is usually still moving when the contact is made...he is still sliding his back foot up...but this is not so much his fault as it is the ball handler's for not waiting for the screen to be set properly!
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        • #5
          I wish our guys would just jump stop in the lane when they come to a player trying to take a charge. Stay under control and go straight up and you will have an easy shot attempt against a player standing in the floor.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rusty 54 View Post
            I wish our guys would just jump stop in the lane when they come to a player trying to take a charge. Stay under control and go straight up and you will have an easy shot attempt against a player standing in the floor.

            This is the best solution.

            ask any ref and the charge is the hardest call to make

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tornado
              if it's "hard to make the call" then don't
              Best post on the subject yet.
              What part of illegal don't you understand?

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              • #8
                I think the MVC refs get paid by how many fouls they call.

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                • #9
                  The charge calls are garbage. The job of the defensive player is to contain the ball, when a charge happens is after the offense has beaten the defense, thus bailing out the defense...IM SICK OF IT!

                  IMHO two types of fouls should be emphasized:

                  1. When the defender has to use his arms (hand checks) or upper body (blocking fouls) to stop the offensive dribbler or cutter (SIU defense of the last few years) and,

                  2. Protecting the shooter. We all as basketball fans want to see good shots and good shooting. When a player makes a great move to the basket and gets butchered it hurts the game.

                  The rest of the fouls (calls away from the ball, charges, etc.) need to be used sparingly to regulate how physical a game becomes, not frequently or at key moments late in the game.

                  Sadly, one has to have a degree of understanding of the strategy of offense and defense to get this and many of today's officials don't.

                  P.S. Draukers (sp.?) section 10 nickname is "Beetle Juice" (head too small for body) and he is certainly one of the poorest officials in our league.
                  Get Well Massive Mike! "Once a Brave always a Brave!"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tornado
                    if it's "hard to make the call" then don't
                    what would that solve? Maybe I should say to distinguish between a charge and a block...you have to make a call in most situations and it's a tough one to make

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lefty View Post
                      what would that solve? Maybe I should say to distinguish between a charge and a block...you have to make a call in most situations and it's a tough one to make
                      A third option would be not calling anything. That is what I would have loved to have seen on the play where I believe Maniscalco drove and kicked the ball out, then after the pass was away he got called for a charge.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rusty 54 View Post
                        A third option would be not calling anything. That is what I would have loved to have seen on the play where I believe Maniscalco drove and kicked the ball out, then after the pass was away he got called for a charge.
                        I gree there should be some no calls such as underneath the basket...there should have been a no call earlier in the game when Sam M drew a charge when the UNI player made a shot. The ball was clearly out of his hand and there was hardly any contact but they called the charge on UNI and took away the basket.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rusty 54 View Post
                          A third option would be not calling anything. That is what I would have loved to have seen on the play where I believe Maniscalco drove and kicked the ball out, then after the pass was away he got called for a charge.
                          Agreed... not that I saw the play...

                          but the only time a charge is warranted when the charger does not have the ball is when he is clearly out of control right before he passes it and really goes into the defender hard... if he is out of control- it is deserved, even if he doesn't have the ball... from all indications..it sounds like SM was not out of control and he barely touched the defender

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tornado
                            if it's "hard to make the call" then don't
                            That's why I like games called by John Higgins. He does not fall for any crap. Also, the real small skinny guy (kinda looks like Barney Fife--sorry) is a great ref. I cannot remember his name. I love it when he and Higgins are the refs. They let the game happen and don't get in the way. I think they were both on the floor in the ISU game.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by georgethedog View Post
                              That's why I like games called by John Higgins. He does not fall for any crap. Also, the real small skinny guy (kinda looks like Barney Fife--sorry) is a great ref. I cannot remember his name. I love it when he and Higgins are the refs. They let the game happen and don't get in the way. I think they were both on the floor in the ISU game.

                              The only issue I have with guys like Higgins and Sanzere is that in a effort to "let things go" they call NOTHING. In the process the shooter gets destroyed around the basket.

                              What does it have to be either one way or the other?
                              Get Well Massive Mike! "Once a Brave always a Brave!"

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