Two players quit team at SIU

[RoyalShock]

Mayeb true about Ogirri on the dates, but...
as you and I both know, Ogirri was creating some discord as far back as mid-season 2006-2007.
It was pretty certain he was going to leave or be booted even before Turgeon left.
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread...0058#post30058

Mid-season 06-07 was 2-3 months before Turgeon left. One player does not equal a revolt.

The closest thing to a revolt was Turgeon's 2nd and 3rd seasons when Jamie Sowers (off-court issues) and Dion Sherrill (undisciplined and thought he was better than he really was) left the team.

There is a clear trend emerging with Lowery. He appears to be able to recruit pretty well but has trouble managing them once he has them.

[tornado]

nobody said revolt, note the word used was discord.

and what I had read was that Ogirri was a loose cannon and insisted on doing to 'fro and shoes against Turg's wishes.
The fact that he got away with what amounted in other players' eyes as disobedience, and still Ogirri played heavy playing time caused some of the other players to wonder just who was running the ship, was it Turg, Ogirri, or as rumored - even Ogirri's brother who was reportedly working behind the scenes to help Ogirri develop a persona and a legendary status that would prepare him for the obvious long and lucrative NBA career they were hoping for.
It couldn't help but mess up team chemistry!

The Shockers started off 9-0 that season and reached the #1 spot in the RPI, and #8 spot in the AP Poll.
Then they suddenly seemed to be a completely different team, going 8-14 the rest of the season and losing
their last 5 games as many thought it looked like this was a team with some serious internal issues,
mostly generated by Ogirri.

In the end the discord may have been a factor in both Ogirri and Turg leaving.

[RoyalShock]

nobody said revolt, note the word used was discord.

and what I had read was that Ogirri was a loose cannon and insisted on doing to 'fro and shows against Turg's wishes.
The fact that he got away with what amounted in other players' eyes as disobedience, and still Ogirri played heavy playingn time caused some of the other players to wonder just who was running the ship, was it Turg, Ogirri, or as rumored - even Ogirri's brother who was reportedly working behind the scenes to help Ogirri develop a persona and a legendary status that would prepare him for the obvious long and lucrative NBA career they were hoping for.

In the end the discord may have been a factor in both Ogirri and Turg leaving.

Braves4Life said "revolt" and that was the post I originally responded to and the context of my posts. I was only pointing out that the Turgeon and Lowery situations aren't that similar.

For whatever reason, Turgeon relaxed his rules after the Sweet 16 season, and allowed Ogirri to don the 'fro and yellow kicks. Ogirri's off-court issues are suspected to have contributed to how that season ended (no one really knows for sure) but they didn't directly affect MT leaving. MT wanted to see what he could do in a league where the Final Four and an NC is attainable and he knew that the next few seasons at WSU weren't going to help his resume (due to his own recruiting failures).

Did Ogirri's brother have influence? I don't know. If he did I probably would have heard something from one of my trusted sources.

Ogirri's departure had to do with off-court issues that weren't going to get solved unless he left the area and got away from certain people (not connected with the team) who were a major influence and instigator of his problems. He needed a fresh start somewhere else. His final decision to leave didn't occur until after Turgeon departed and Marshall was hired.

[houstontxbrave]

Someone on the ISU board (granted it is someone with only 5 total posts) said he is hearing Roundtree could end up at ISU. After looking into it a little further, ISU, along with previously mentioned SLU, had an offer out to him.

http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=57833

I figured someone on here would know this. Does the MVC have a special set of tranfer rules for those student/athletes that transfer within the conference- different then the NCAA tranfer rules? Do you have to sit out more a year or anything like that?

Thanks in advance for the help...

I dont know about any additional penalty time for sitting out if you transfer within the conference but I do think that the person is not eligible to receive a scholorship. I can not ever recall a player transfering from one MVC school to another.

[BU RICK]

RoyalShock: I just want to use this opportunity to say I have always enjoyed following your team. I remember it was maybe 1979 or 1980 when you had Antoine Carr and Cliff Levingston and they beat Illinois in the first round of the NCAA. They were both low post players, one on one side and one on the other and just took it to the basket, I watched that game with my Illini friend and it was a shocker. Levingston also helped the Bulls win several championships, he was a fun guy. You have also had many other great players and you also have good baseball teams. Other than the Illinois schools and Drake, I like to follow Wichita State. That 7 foot center you have really looked good. I'm glad we won and I hope we beat you in Peoria, but Wichita State has always had a great tradition, I'm glad you are in the MVC

[cpacmel]

I dont know about any additional penalty time for sitting out if you transfer within the conference but I do think that the person is not eligible to receive a scholorship. I can not ever recall a player transfering from one MVC school to another.

Curtis Stuckey from Drake to BU was one.

Did he have to sit out any additional time?

Roundtree's final list included SIU, ISU, SLU, Missouri, Purdue

[bluedevils1]

"One thing I noted that shows the class of the BU fan base...
after nice wins (one was kind of a blowout - over SIU) I didn't see even one post or comment trashing the Salukis or the Shox.....all were civil and nice"

This is kind of true after the win but is a stretch beyond that. Shouldn't we all feel sorry for SIU and at least wish them the best as with the rest of the Valley teams instead of trashing their system and saying they deserve this? They are in complete meltdown. We should be grateful that we aren't there but a little more classy when talking about their terrible situation.

[real fan]

The only way a player can transfer to another school in the Valley is if SIU grants him a release ; if SIU does not grant this release he would have to sit out 1 extra year. Drake allowed Stuckey to transfer to BU , probably because he was from Peoria.

[wily coyote]

I dont know about any additional penalty time for sitting out if you transfer within the conference but I do think that the person is not eligible to receive a scholorship. I can not ever recall a player transfering from one MVC school to another.

HTB you are right. There's no additional penalty but, you can never receive a scholarship. He would have to pay his own way for the remainder of his playing time.

[brocks]

Did JL go after any of these SIU kids out of HS? Can't remember.

[cpacmel]

HTB you are right. There's no additional penalty but, you can never receive a scholarship. He would have to pay his own way for the remainder of his playing time.

According to the MVC by laws, there is an additional year of penalty. There is nothing that says the player can't receive a scholarship either:

4.2 INTRA-CONFERENCE TRANSFER
A student-athlete who has accepted or received an athletic scholarship award at a member institution of the MVC or who has participated in any intercollegiate contest as a member of that institution's team, shall be allowed to transfer to another member institution of the MVC with the following stipulations:
4.2.1 Participation in Student-Athlete's Sport. The student-athlete may not participate in the particular sport for a two (2)-year period from the official date of transfer.
4.2.2 Participation in Any Sport. The student-athlete may not participate in any other MVC sport for a one (1)-year period from the official date of transfer.
4.2.3 4-2-4 Transfer. The intra-conference transfer rule shall apply to a student-athlete who transfers from a Conference member institution to a two-year college and then to a certifying Conference member institution.

[tornado]

Royal Shock, I didn't see the mention of "revolt" til you pointed it out...
but the Shockers in 2007 didplay like there were internal issues.

Gregg Marshall definitely has them in the right direction. I really Like Toure Murray and Stutz had a good game against BU although we have had a history of defending big guys poorly.


also - devils - they are in meltdown mode...that's pretty much factual. But they brought it upon themselves, we didn't dump it on them or wish it upon them as you seem to suggest.
Note -again- as I pointed out...that a few here kinda saw it coming and spoke of it...but that's not the same as wanting them to fail.
I have thought for years that it is NOT something a coach should want to be doing to bring in a LARGE class of talented (maybe even overrated) kids all at the same time without some kind of plan as to how you are going to find them all playing time. If you have that many scholarships available, then redhsirt a kid or get a juco.
Instead, Lowery actually redshirted two from the year before (Evans & Bocot) which only added to the logjam of 1st year players he has now!

[SFP]

What is happening at SIU is the sign of the times. I believe coaches will have to change their recruiting style and pick players that truly will know their role and excel in the fact that they will have to work hard. This is truly the, me first generation and self adulation crowd from instant homer media, that the their psyches pampered and the ego of these guys will be so hard to check at the door. This could happen to JL but I believe he is purposely recruiting kids that have a team first personality. CL got blinded by all that talent and is hitting a speed bump. SIU will be fine and for those calling for his head are just posters/haters and probably do not have any insight to what is really happening.

[tornado]

agree-- as I said a player who is underrated is way more likely to stay despite unsatisfactory playing time than a highly rated kid who is overrated, since the kids tend to believe the hype and think they are too good to be sitting the bench even as freshmen.

and if you don't think the SIU boar5d is on meltdown, here's a post that the guy even admits their board is the "Three Mile Island" of message boards.

http://salukitalk.net/st/viewtopic.php?t=25159&start=4

http://salukitalk.net/st/viewtopic.php?t=25159&start=3

[houstontxbrave]

Curtis Stuckey from Drake to BU was one.

Did he have to sit out any additional time?

Roundtree's final list included SIU, ISU, SLU, Missouri, Purdue

There you go, how could I forget the flat top of Stuckey.

I do not remember him sitting but the one year, and I probably am wrong about the scholorship, I would imagine he got one but that was what over 10 years ago.