Ty Modupe Leaving ISU

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http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2008/12/23/usports/doc49511a52b2349117758427.txt

Freshman forward Ty Modupe, who did not play in Illinois State??™s first 11 games, has left the team.

Modupe, who was headed toward a redshirt season though it had not been declared by ISU, returned home to Topeka, Kan., for the team??™s holiday break and decided to stay there, ISU sports information director Todd Kober said.

[tornado]

wow, as thin as ISU will be in the paint after Dinma and Sampay are gone, you'd think he'd
see there is really a lot of potential for playing time within the next year or two.
Is there more to this?? Is he being "run off" to open up a scholarship?
ISU was completely out of scholarships for next year assuming Smith is staying and will be eligible, so now this opens one up for 2009.
Is little used Alex Rubin going to leave next?

[RedbirdFan21]

wow, as thin as ISU will be in the paint after Dinma and Sampay are gone, you'd think he'd
see there is really a lot of potential for playing time within the next year or two.
Is there more to this?? Is he being "run off" to open up a scholarship?
ISU was completely out of scholarships for next year assuming Smith is staying and will be eligible, so now this opens one up for 2009.
Is little used Alex Rubin going to leave next?

Well Alex Rubin is hurt so he is "never used" not "little used". ISU was over the scholarship limit by 1 before Ty left... it was rumored that Kellen Thornton was going to pay his own way next year, (if Kenyon comes back) because he was going to be a walk on this year. He got Kenyon's schollie this year when he didn't qualify.

ISU is now AT their scholarship limit so they will either keep Thornton on scholarship, and if Kenyon comes back, they will be good... or they will recruit another guy this year, and have Thornton pay his own way... no indication yet

[MacabreMob]

Or maybe Bill Cole could wind up there?

[tornado]

But lost in all this is the stark -- HUGE -- difference between this kind of event and the kids that have left Bradley and transferred elsewhere.

NOT once has Bradley overcommitted on scholarships, then had a kid transfer...
in other words...Modupe's scholarship was actually being given to someone else, and he is the one picked to go....
this is the stuff Tom Crean is doing, but now we see it down the road at ISU.

At BU, only AFTER the kids decide to leave, then their scholarships are given to other players, not the other way around giving the appearance those kids were forced out.

[RedbirdFan21]

Um.... well I guess you can spin it however you want...

Nothing is/was official from any point of view... so just put you opinion out there and act as though you know that is 100% true...

No one knows what is 100% true regarding this (except Jank, his staff, and Ty)... Why would Jank yank his schollie now? Even after ISU offered him a schollie, that could have yanked it before he signed... this would have let Ty go somewhere else and play right away.

If you remember correctly, Kellen Thornton was going to walk on and pay his own way this year, b/c he was recruiting with the understanding that he would walk on this year and get a scholarship the remaining three years...

Well when Kenyon Smith was declared ineligible, Kellen got that scholarship. It was known, somewhat privately, that next year, Kellen was going to pay his own way, if Kenyon Smith was able to come back and play. He would still be getting 3 years of a scholarship, just a different 3 years then was expected.

In fact, Jank could still feasibly do this. We are currently AT the scholarship limit (after Ty left). If Jank asked Kellen to walk-on next year, and it was accepted (this could already be done), ISU can recruit another player RIGHT NOW to replace Modupe's schollie...

But just spin it however you please... I thought i would just show it in a slightly different fashion so everyone can see both sides...

[RedbirdFan21]

But lost in all this is the stark -- HUGE -- difference between this kind of event and the kids that have left Bradley and transferred elsewhere.

And weren't there rumors that Eric Buschler (sp?) basically told Cole-Scott not to come back???? Sure they are rumors... but its not exactly like what you posted above is known to be the truth... it is just your guess...

There haven't even been any rumors about Modupe leaving...but feel free to make it look however bad you want for ISU...(I have a feeling the intelligent posters over here will and do see through much of your negative-spin posts).

[RedbirdFan21]

And one more thing


MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL BU FANS... SEE YA JANUARY 6TH!!!!!

[Da Coach]

And weren't there rumors that Eric Buschler (sp?) basically told Cole-Scott not to come back???? Sure they are rumors...

No. Even the Cole-Scott side of the story didn't include any claim that any coach told him not to come back.

First, Bradley has never "oversigned" by getting more committments and LOI's than they were allowed to by NCAA rules like ISU has, meaning they have never planned ahead to get rid of one or more present scholarship players.
Bradley pulled out of recruiting other kids once they reached the limit of 13, and did not plan on Cole-Scott leaving. But it was Cole-Scott who first expressed that he was not happy and wanted to leave. Bradley tried to get him to return, and held his scholarship open for over a month while he was deciding.
Then when he did not decide by a deadline he was given, Bradley assumed he was leaving. But then he said he wanted to return to Bradley. He was told he had to participate in extra individual workouts to improve his ball handling skills. It was then that his father claimed that the coaches said they would make his life miserable, which he interpreted as trying to get him to leave, but that was never what was meant. He vouluntarily left school, and did not return, despite efforts by the coaches to get hi to come back.
It was not until many weeks later that Bradley re-used his open scholarship.

[tornado]

And weren't there rumors that Eric Buschler (sp?) basically told Cole-Scott not to come back????

agree that this is NOT what happened...
Cole-Scott was told that his performance left a little to be desired and if he was going to stay he'd have to work harder and .........
even more...that the coaching staff would see to it that he worked his butt off......

Cole-Scott took it as meaning he was going to have to work harder than he wanted to work, so he left.
ONLY after he left, did the coach recruit and offer a scholarship to someone else.

[tornado]

Here's an interesting followup on a kid who was "cut loose" at Creighton by Dana Altman, even before he ever put the uniform on...
the whole thing kinda messed the kid's life up.

Tom Whitehead was recruited, signed, and given a scholarship to play at Creighton by Altman.
Then just before the fall, he was "cut loose" and sent packing...

Here are the kid's own words...

"The problem at Creighton was Whitehead never fit in. The swingman set
the Arizona Community College Athletic Conference on fire, averaging 22
points, eight rebounds, two steals and two blocks per game for Yavapai.
He received numerous calls from Division I programs, and made official
visits to Creighton, Colorado State, Texas-San Antonio, Miami, Fla. and
La. Tech.

Whitehead said he chose the Jays in large part because of their
successful past. Creighton has averaged 20 wins over the past 14
seasons under head coach Dana Altman.

Yet Whitehead could never get off the ground in Creighton.
He spent one semester on campus before he was cut loose.

"From the day that I got there, I never felt any kind of connection with the coaching staff,"
said Whitehead, who used up his redshirt year that season. "I don't think the head coach
said more than five words to me the entire time I was there. If he's not talking to you,
he's not thinking about you."

Whitehead admits he had a hard time accepting the fact his D-I hopes were fading, and
entertained thoughts of quitting basketball after the Creighton debacle.

"... things didn't work out at Creighton"

now at Dixie State... "He's playing really well and he's going to keep doing that."

http://www.thespectrum.com/article/20081225/SPORTS/812250315

[ER3]

agree that this is NOT what happened...
Cole-Scott was told that his performance left a little to be desired and if he was going to stay he'd have to work harder and .........
even more...that the coaching staff would see to it that he worked his butt off......

Cole-Scott took it as meaning he was going to have to work harder than he wanted to work, so he left.
ONLY after he left, did the coach recruit and offer a scholarship to someone else.

c'mon t...you have no idea what actually happened. You weren't in the room for those discussions.
Cole-Scott says he was forced out...the BU staff says he wasn't...that's fine.
I know you want to believe that the BU staff version of the story is 100% true, but you have no way of knowing...

[tornado]

I believe you are wrong...and you are going with info that Cole-Scott has since refuted...
Cole-Scott may have viewed what happened differently but his version of the facts almost precisely matches what the coaches say.....
save for the non-existent text message.

I suspect Cole-Scott's father might have believed his son was being forced out,
but I cannot be convinced that Tyrone Cole-Scott himself ever said such a thing,
nor do his words even seem to support that he even thought that.

Cole-Scott NEVER said his scholarship was being taken away nor was he being forced out.....
The only time the term "forced out" was ever used, it was supposedly by Cole-Scott's father, who never spoke publicly, but only spoke
by phone privately to Dave Reynolds, and then Reynolds reported the "forced out" term as coming from the father.
Tyrone actually declined to use the term "forced out" even when Reynolds later gave him a free platform to do so in a May 14 interview....
Instead, Tyrone said the coaches were going to make it tough on him, and he interpreted that as "being pressured" -- but Tyrone himself NEVER said he was forced out.

So..... precisely what I noted above, Tyrone Cole-Scott was informed that the coaches would be tough on him, so he CHOSE to leave.
But the coaches are tough on ALL the players, so how does that equal "forced out"?

Here's a discussion of the words Cole-Scott told to the PJS's Dave Reynolds who wrote this in his article...
"Amid confusing circumstances, junior guard Tyrone Cole-Scott has decided
to leave the Bradley basketball program".
Then it confirms that Tyrone Cole-Scott said he wanted to stay at Bradley
after an April meeting with Coach Jim Les. Specific workouts were set up to
help TCS improve his game, but he failed to show up for the workouts.
Shortly after that April meeting, he texted Jim Les that he wanted to
transfer, but no action took place until yesterday when they met again, and
TCS apparently reiterated his desire to transfer."

http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=81451#post81451

so it was Tyrone's "desire to transfer"...not forced out...

Note-- also the words of TCS' father then came under further skepticism, as it was later revealed there NEVER was a text message as Cole-Scott's father
had claimed, and so I have to go with Tyrone himself on this one and not the dad, that Tyrone chose to leave of his own volition.

what was even worse, was that as usual, the local press went with the story of a "threatening text message" as if it were fact, and later it was proven there was never any such threatening text message.
The whole story sorta blew up in the faces of the Cole-Scott's as it became in time apparent that there was never any threats, and nobody was ever forced out, and TCS's scholarship was NEVER, EVER, offered to anyone else until after he was GONE.

http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=81641#post81641

http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8438

[Da Coach]

Ellis was initially a commit to South Carolina. But So. Carolina changed coaches, and he switched to Wichita State. He knew Greg Marshall because Marshall recruited him for Winthrop. He was expected to have an immediate impact as a big man in the MVC, but has played very little in his year and a half.

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