Myth Busted - Butler vs. Bradley

[BUFAN]

Is the fact that they have hired long time assistants to replace head coaches who leave a factor to be considered? Is it possible that coaching plays a factor in how good they are?

Brad Stevens hasn't been anywhere for very long he is only thirty one. But, yes in the past they have promoted from within. They develope coaches as well as players...

[tornado]

I am not sure whose "argument" you are attempting to refute...
I have made no "argument", I have only busted the myth that Bradley is in the supposed same spot as Butler, yet Butler is doing better than we are in W-L record.
I believe I have proven Butler has as much or more D-I experience and is (fortunate for them) not being forced to go with 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options at positions like center,
that Bradley is being forced to do because of the injuries.

[Scouter]

I am not sure whose "argument" you are attempting to refute...
I have made no "argument", I have only busted the myth that Bradley is in the supposed same spot as Butler, yet Butler is doing better than we are in W-L record.
I believe I have proven Butler has as much or more D-I experience and is (fortunate for them) not being forced to go with 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options at positions like center,
that Bradley is being forced to do because of the injuries.

I think you're the only one so far who's buying your "myth busting."

[MikeCash]

Indy BB's little fancy spreadsheet is possible the weakest and most irrelevant reply to a post I've seen on any message board in my entire life. Good job Tornado.

[tornado]

thanks Mike....but actually even if I am the only one with the correct argument, I wouldn't back down...
I have been standing up for BU for decades and I am proud of it.
Thankfully it has helped bury all the Mr. Happy's, uptempostyles, and other lifelong BU-bashers and haters.

as Da Coach once queried of the BU bashers....why do you torture yourself so much by following BU
if you think BU is a worthless team and poorly coached?

[Indy_BB]

Indy BB's little fancy spreadsheet is possible the weakest and most irrelevant reply to a post I've seen on any message board in my entire life. Good job Tornado.

Wow, this place is full of grey matter now isn't it?

I'll go slow. Here is the math for Theron Wilson's contribution to the minutes-weighted average age of Bradley...

4 years
29 minutes per game
213.8 minutes for the team -> 4 * (29/213.80) = .543

In order to get the "age" of the team, you add all the weighted contributions together and that will tell you the weighted average (per minutes in this case) of the team.

Bradley averages 2.58 years vis-a-vis Butler's 1.79. It is not that complex.

The idea that Bradley is somehow comparable in age to Butler, or even more so younger, is absolutely ridiculous, bordering on delusion.

[tornado]

so let me get this straight....
Bradley decided to "rebuild" with more experienced players and went with a couple jucos instead of completely raw freshmen.
This is all that your silly numbers are showing.
Yet you seem to be jumping on the bandwagon criticizing BU because they haven't "rebuilt" fast enough!

Maybe next time, instead of getting Theron and Dodie, we should have gone harder after guys like Nick Fruendt and LA Pomlee
(and of course no guarantee we'd even get those guys) who are redshirting elsewhere?

[Beninator]

4) their starting center (Matt Howard) played full time last season and started nearly every game last year and this year...
We don't have even ONE single guy who had ever previously started even ONE single game at center or even at any position in college basketball now playing post positions.....so no doubt Butler has TONS more experience in the paint.

All the more reason to get AT into the game and give AT QUALITY minutes.

[BUFAN]

Indy BB's little fancy spreadsheet is possible the weakest and most irrelevant reply to a post I've seen on any message board in my entire life. Good job Tornado.

Gonna have to slip you into the I accept mediocrity camp, therefore I accept losing team. Your team has a lot of players though.

[JC43]

Brad Stevens hasn't been anywhere for very long he is only thirty one. But, yes in the past they have promoted from within. They develope coaches as well as players...

Stevens was an assistant coach under Todd Lickliter for six seasons, 2001-07, at Butler. During that period, the Bulldogs compiled a 131-61 record, won three Horizon League regular season championships, made four trips to postseason tournament play and achieved Butler's first "Top 10" national ranking. He became the first assistant coach in Butler basketball history to help the Bulldogs reach the NCAA Sweet 16 twice (2003 and 2007), and he contributed to more NCAA Tournament wins (4) than any previous Butler assistant basketball coach. Teams during his tenure as an assistat coach compiled the top three single season win totals in Butler basketball history prior to 2007-08.

[braves12]

Has Butler or Bradley had more success over the past 7 years? Which will have more success for the next 3 years? That equals a decade, and I think a decade can give a good indication of the relative comparison between programs.

Another question - just because posters are not satisfied with the results of the program, does that make them BU haters?

[BUFAN]

Stevens was an assistant coach under Todd Lickliter for six seasons, 2001-07, at Butler. During that period, the Bulldogs compiled a 131-61 record, won three Horizon League regular season championships, made four trips to postseason tournament play and achieved Butler's first "Top 10" national ranking. He became the first assistant coach in Butler basketball history to help the Bulldogs reach the NCAA Sweet 16 twice (2003 and 2007), and he contributed to more NCAA Tournament wins (4) than any previous Butler assistant basketball coach. Teams during his tenure as an assistat coach compiled the top three single season win totals in Butler basketball history prior to 2007-08.

Thanks, I guess Brad has a few more whiskers than I realized. He is doing a fine job. I would imagine he will have a lot of BCS offers just as Todd and Thad did.

[JC43]

thanks Mike....but actually even if I am the only one with the correct argument, I wouldn't back down...
I have been standing up for BU for decades and I am proud of it.
Thankfully it has helped bury all the Mr. Happy's, uptempostyles, and other lifelong BU-bashers and haters.

as Da Coach once queried of the BU bashers....why do you torture yourself so much by following BU
if you think BU is a worthless team and poorly coached?

Well maybe your ardent defense is why BU is mired in mediocrity. Maybe if some of the big donors decided to care more about a winning program than how nice the coach is to them things would improve. You indicated you have not heard even the "tiniest bit" of dissatisfaction amongst any of the "big money” I hope that is not the case but if it is, that is a problem.

The "bashers" care just as much about BU as you or anyone else. Would you prefer our team be the loveable losers? We would sell out every game despite a poor product because you can drink and have a good time? The money keeps coming in so why care how the team does? Are those real fans? Are you really a fan if you blindly support your team without having any expectations? I think not!

[ser_solace]

If Coach Les doesn't accept excuses, why should we accept them? And that's what this thread sounds like.

[BradleyBrave]

If Coach Les doesn't accept excuses, why should we accept them? And that's what this thread sounds like.

Here here! The last person on Earth that has ever made excuses is Jim Les, and that's what has made him overachieve at everything he's ever done. Why we feel we need to make excuses is beyond me.