I am on the AT Bandwagon

[daPAWW1]

"Twin Post Double Screen"

Just another 'twin' thought - if DC and AT would set screens together maybe AT could keep DC from moving and then AT could roll off the screen to get the rebound or 'block' a shot or something. And as a side benefit AT could get his hands up and we'd actually look like we were playing some sort of post defense!

Here's another question - If AT and DC each tied a leg together (i.e. '3 legged race' ) could they both play and only count as one player? They'd probably have to tie one wrist together to be legal!

Happy Holidays!

[Beninator]

I think that AT with DC would be a disaster. AT with SS on the other hand gives us a big with some experience to go along with AT.
Regardless of this debate, AT needs much more time than what he
is currently getting.

[BradleyBrave]

I think that AT with DC would be a disaster.

And it hasn't been a disaster so far?

[Beninator]

And it hasn't been a disaster so far?

It certainly has... But I would rather have AT out there with a mentor in SS than paired with the train wreck that is DC.

[houstontxbrave]

We never run pick-and-roll anyways even if the big is by himself in the lane, so who cares if he can't screen? Personally, I think he can screen just fine. Our guards missed him several times as he rolled to the basket.

I really believe our guards do not want to give either Collins or AT the ball on the screen roll. The only person who ever sees the ball on the roll to the basket is Singh. The guards know two things about Singh, he can score off the pass and they also know he will give them the ball back on a pass out of that roll.

They know that neither Collins or AT can pass the ball back or are often able to control the ball enough to score off that roll.

I keep saying it but I really do not believe that Collins' teammates trust him as a basketball player in many situations, but especially when it comes to giving him the basketball while he is moving. They know it is a recipe for disaster and it also means they are not seeing that ball again even if they are open.

[thefish7]

houston, I see some of the same, though SS has much better hands than DC, he's not as good at actually getting the ball through the hoop. He misses a ton of "bunnies," while DC turns the ball over all the time.

Don't know enough at all about AT to say either way. His hands seem to be a lot better than DC's.

[Beninator]

I really believe our guards do not want to give either Collins or AT the ball on the screen roll. The only person who ever sees the ball on the roll to the basket is Singh. The guards know two things about Singh, he can score off the pass and they also know he will give them the ball back on a pass out of that roll.

They know that neither Collins or AT can pass the ball back or are often able to control the ball enough to score off that roll.

I keep saying it but I really do not believe that Collins' teammates trust him as a basketball player in many situations, but especially when it comes to giving him the basketball while he is moving. They know it is a recipe for disaster and it also means they are not seeing that ball again even if they are open.

I have definately seen this while DC is on the floor...and---it isnt just during screen and roll situations---- I havent seen too many games in which AT has played so I cant comment about that...

[SFP]

I agree with all your posts except I think if we used DC in an offensive scheme where we used his strength that sweet jump shot he could score a fair amount nightly. He just is not going to do well moving with the ball. On the defensive end he just does not have the instincts that a TB or EM has in finding the ball to really be a good rebounder. He has been blocking a lot of shots lately. AT for better or for worse is an unknown. I also wish we would play him at the 4 with SS but if he can prove that he can rebound I'd put him in with DC. DC on the offensive end could step away from the basket and if open hit the jumper and if covered pass it into AT where he should have plenty of room to maneuver.

[houstontxbrave]

Both of you are right about AT the only game he got extended minutes in was the SEMO game and he was setting the screen at the key and rolling and a few times he was open moving to the lane but never saw a pass. Of course that might mean alot of things, including his teammates didnt see him open.

But basketball just like anything is many times about personal accomplishment. If you know if you try to give someone IE Collins an entry pass and he drops it the TO can go to you, or if he gets the ball and fumbles it out of bounds instead of an assist you get nothing and they know good and well he can not handle a pass on the move and make a decision to make a return pass for a basket. I never see him get an entry pass anywhere other then directly on the block and even then its not often... his teammates know that generally nothing good happens when he gets an entry pass.

Basketball is often about what can you get when you give... in Collins case often you get a tournover, few assists and never a return pass for your own points. No matter what we think basketball is often no different then life, you need to get yours, and when your not getting yours when you give then why give... I think that is a lot of the reason why Collins does not see the ball on rolls.

Personally I think the high scree and roll is a bad offense for this team, it rarely directly leads to any open looks, has a high frequency for offensive fouls and with how poorly this team shoots it even if a guy gets open for a shot it often is missed.

This team though has can not run issolation plays like it did last year for JC, we have no one who can make an open shot consistantly or as JC could do he could take his guy off the dribble to the lane and either score over him or he could pass out of his dribble. Wilson can not handle the ball, Roberts I dont think is to good at passing out of his dribble and isnt great at handling it. The weave or the high screen and roll are about the only offense JL can play that limits the ball handling of his 3 or 4. If Warren could ever get healthy he could play the issolation game but until that happens I dont see any other offense he can run with the personal he has.

It also hurts that we have guards that can get into the lane like McCain or SM but really have big difficulties in finishing.

[jasonpeoria911]

Was it AT or DC that let the 300+ pound left tackle blow right past him for a layup? Everyone is screaming for AT to get more time but i've seen him just as lost at times as DC is. I've seen Les yell at him several times about where AT was at. The only remedy for that is possibly more playing time but I don't think it will be the quick fix a lot of people think it will be.

Jason

[Rusty 54]

I don't think many people are talking about AT being a quick fix. Just that he is the future and the present isn't looking real bright so getting more minutes for AT might be the best thing at this point, so take some hits now and be better for it later.

[houstontxbrave]

I went and saw Rice v Oklahoma last night. Rice had to go up against Blake Griffin, and they used a freshman and 2 sophomores to guard him last night. Yes they played a freshman against the mighty Blake Griffin.

They didnt put a 6'5 forward on him because the freshman wasnt ready, they played a freshman, whether he did good or bad was not the point, that freshman by playing against Griffin was able to get game experience versus one of the "supposide" best in college basketball.

Rice also many times in the game played two of these younger players at the same time.

Also in 40 minutes of basketball there was no weave anywhere in sight, both team ran motion offenses and several times Oklahoma ran set plays. There was not one moving screen called all night.

My point is Ben Braun was williing to let his freshman play against a 1st team all american and take his lumps but I guarantee you that the Rice freshman will be a better player after that experience then he would have by sitting and watching.

BTW Griffin is way way over rated as is Oklahoma... I say this because neither played hard or hustled much. Those who get upset with TW and his yelling or carrying on, they would love Griffin, he makes sure everyone hears him.. especially the one he scores on or blocks each and everytime. He also loves to be a hollywood actor if he thinks he got fouled. If Oklahoma is the 4th best team in college basketball then college basketball is in trouble this season.

I thought Oklahoma's best player was Willie Warren who amazingly is also a freshman.. he had 31.

[tornado]

..My point is Ben Braun was williing to let his freshman play against a 1st team all american and take his lumps but I guarantee you that the Rice freshman will be a better player after that experience then he would have by sitting and watching....

so isn't that exactly what we are seeing in Peoria?
Our coach is unafraid to let three TRUE freshmen, one redshirt freshman, two other 1st year guys, and four 2nd year guys play virtually 100% of the minutes, as it will help them get better.

I guess I am just astounded that year after year we deal with the same November and December "sky is falling" panic, even in the year we went to the Sweet Sixteen.

As I have said before....for those who are willing to throw in the towel and trash BU as not worth watching...
please send all unusued tickets to Box 978, 61548....and thank you...

[houstontxbrave]

so isn't that exactly what we are seeing in Peoria?
Our coach is unafraid to let three TRUE freshmen, one redshirt freshman, two other 1st year guys, and four 2nd year guys play virtually 100% of the minutes, as it will help them get better.

I guess I am just astounded that year after year we deal with the same November and December "sky is falling" panic, even in the year we went to the Sweet Sixteen.

As I have said before....for those who are willing to throw in the towel and trash BU as not worth watching...
please send all unusued tickets to Box 978, 61548....and thank you...

I was simply pointing out that he used a freshman big to play against a 1st team all american. Didnt say a word about any guards or anything else just that Braun played a freshman against a 1st team all american.

Also, at what point in my speaking about the Rice Oklahoma game did I mention the sky at Bradley was falling or more specifically did I even mention Bradley in what I wrote?

You have an amazing ability to get all heated up about something even when it doesnt mention Bradley, just making a point about what another team did versus another team.

And if you can tell by what I wrote how I feel about this years Bradley team, I hope that crystal ball you use to tell what I am feeling, can tell you more "magical" thoughts. Sometimes you are priceless.

But as far as what we are seeing in Peoria... no we are not seeing a freshman playing heavy minutes in the post aganist a 1st team all american... we are not even seeing a freshman in the post playing heavy minutes against anyone. Sparatic minutes at most and those are mostly attributed to injuries to two other post players. We are seeing other freshman playing heavy minutes but NOT IN THE POST.

[SaintLouBrave22]

I was simply pointing out that he used a freshman big to play against a 1st team all american. Didnt say a word about any guards or anything else just that Braun played a freshman against a 1st team all american.

Also, at what point in my speaking about the Rice Oklahoma game did I mention the sky at Bradley was falling or more specifically did I even mention Bradley in what I wrote?

You have an amazing ability to get all heated up about something even when it doesnt mention Bradley, just making a point about what another team did versus another team.

And if you can tell by what I wrote how I feel about this years Bradley team, I hope that crystal ball you use to tell what I am feeling, can tell you more "magical" thoughts. Sometimes you are priceless.

But as far as what we are seeing in Peoria... no we are not seeing a freshman playing heavy minutes in the post aganist a 1st team all american... we are not even seeing a freshman in the post playing heavy minutes against anyone. Sparatic minutes at most and those are mostly attributed to injuries to two other post players. We are seeing other freshman playing heavy minutes but NOT IN THE POST.

Amen!