ALL is well now...

[SaintLouBrave22]

Singh appeared to have a couple stitches put in the bridge of his nose when he went to the lockerroom.
He caught an elbow and had a gash and was bleeding.
He came back out and sat the rest of the first half, word was he felt a little dizzy.
He did not come back out in the 2nd half until only about 10 min. left but still didn't play.
He will be fine by next game.

If he has a broken nose like was stated in post-game, I would expect him to miss at least the next 2-3 games while they have to fit him for a face guard...

They then will wait until after the season most likely to fix the break...


I would be astonished to see him play Sat. unless the diagnosis was not true.

[BU_EMT128]

...they had his shirt open and looked as though they were doing CPR.

Just to clarify some things from a medical standpoint, having a shirt open is often done simply to place a monitor on a patient. Does this indicate cardiac problems? Not always, as I tend to put a monitor on for difficulty breathing, anxiety, etc just to get a feel for what is going on.

Just before they wheeled him off, he was sitting half way in a up right position on the cart. He was wearing a oxygen mask and appeared to be concuss...

Being conscious (I assume that was the word you were looking for OOB, lol), wearing an O2 mask, and sitting up makes me highly doubt that CPR was being done. Although I was not at the game today (my time was occupied with work), if CPR has to be done, the patient does not sit up and wear an oxygen mask, they lay down so CPR and various other medical procedures can be performed (and then the fact they are not breathing makes it difficult to sit up). Based on my experience, and judging by the descriptions i read, it sounds like a heart attack.

[BU_EMT128]

He was given an IV and taken away after about 20 minutes......

Also, we EMT's don't like to sit around for 20 minutes if we have a patient in full arrest requiring CPR!

[warren5]

i for one am not pleased

they played too much in spurts, were up 14 at haltime but then with 18:20 left in the second half were only up 7 you cannot do that against teams like Creighton, SIU or ISU.

SEMO is/was terrible. They didnt even make shots in warmups.

Our opponent seems like they always have a guy score 20 on us.

When they gave up the quick 7-0 run to start the half, I call a timeout Jim Les. Your trying to prove to your guys that not putting in 110% is going to get you benched, well i believe that is the perfect opportunity to send that message. Pull all there butts (lack of a better word) out of the game.

[wily coyote]

You are right that the word awkwardly does not appear in the rule, but it is considered by the refs. In fact, your words "avoid landing on a player underneath" don't appear in the rule, either.

Here is the NCAA rule with the exact wording--

Section 3. Hanging/Grasping on the Ring

Players should not be permitted to hang on or grasp the basket ring in an
excessive, emphatic manner during dunks when there is no possibility of a
resulting injury occurring. The intent of the rule does not permit a player
to hold the ring and lift his or her body or legs, or in general, hang on or
grasp the ring for emphasis. This is especially true for a player who dunks

the ball on a breakaway or when no defender is nearby. Injuries, sometimes
serious, can occur as a result of grasping/hanging on the ring. Game delays
also result when damaged equipment must be fixed or replaced. When there
is no obvious injury circumstance to be avoided by grasping/hanging on the
ring, doing so in an emphatic matter is a (Men) CLASS B and (Women)

Player/Substitute technical foul.

Art. 3. Technical Fouls.....

c. (MEN) CLASS A and CLASS B technical fouls. A CLASS A
technical foul involves unsportsmanlike conduct or behavior by a
player, substitute, coach or bench personnel. A CLASS B technical
foul is an infraction of the rules that neither involves contact with an
opponent nor causes contact with an opponent and falls below the
limit of an unsportsmanlike act. Examples of CLASS A and CLASS
B technical fouls shall include:
1. Unsportsmanlike conduct; using profanity, vulgarity, taunting,
baiting (CLASS A);
2. Requesting an excessive timeout (CLASS B); and
3. Hanging on the ring, except when doing so to prevent an injury
(CLASS B).

So it's states very simply that the exception is when doing so to prevent injury. That includes injury to the player doing the hanging, or to anyone else.

Your last sentence is correct. Now i'll explain what that means. The intent of the rule is simple. The ONLY time it includes the player doing the hanging is when there IS a player beneath the basket on the floor, where landing may cause an injury to either player. If I'm understanding you correctly, Your saying the officials would have to determine if the dunker could be injured with no one under the basket and that would be false on the test and there would never be a technical called unless the guilty party swung from the rim and that is just not how the rule is applied. T was in the process of dunking was fouled, hung on the rim with no one underneath him and th Technical was the correct call. If someone had been on the floor beneath him that would not have been the case. That is plain and simple the intent of the rule and how it is applied. You are trying to read something into this situation that is just not there. To make this real simple just remember NEVER hang unless a body is beneath you and we will never have this call again.

[dogsrus]

Just to clarify some things from a medical standpoint, having a shirt open is often done simply to place a monitor on a patient. Does this indicate cardiac problems? Not always, as I tend to put a monitor on for difficulty breathing, anxiety, etc just to get a feel for what is going on.



Being conscious (I assume that was the word you were looking for OOB, lol), wearing an O2 mask, and sitting up makes me highly doubt that CPR was being done. Although I was not at the game today (my time was occupied with work), if CPR has to be done, the patient does not sit up and wear an oxygen mask, they lay down so CPR and various other medical procedures can be performed (and then the fact they are not breathing makes it difficult to sit up). Based on my experience, and judging by the descriptions i read, it sounds like a heart attack.

You open the shirt to expose the skin for a defib. also...as I stated I left as I saw he was in good hands and thats why I stated it APPEARED they were doing or going to start CPR. They were doing all the prelim stuff like watching his breathing, checking his pulse.....but I left and never actually witnessed any CPR.

He was on the ground, flat on his back for at least 20 minutes and and was placed on a cart after that. He wasn't sitting up on the ground under his own power. They CERTAINLY could have performed CPR then placed him on the gurney for transportation.

Again, I hope and pray he is OK.

[Out of Bounce]

Just to clarify some things from a medical standpoint, having a shirt open is often done simply to place a monitor on a patient. Does this indicate cardiac problems? Not always, as I tend to put a monitor on for difficulty breathing, anxiety, etc just to get a feel for what is going on.



Being conscious (I assume that was the word you were looking for OOB, lol), wearing an O2 mask, and sitting up makes me highly doubt that CPR was being done. Although I was not at the game today (my time was occupied with work), if CPR has to be done, the patient does not sit up and wear an oxygen mask, they lay down so CPR and various other medical procedures can be performed (and then the fact they are not breathing makes it difficult to sit up). Based on my experience, and judging by the descriptions i read, it sounds like a heart attack.

Ya, that was it, conscious. Changed it, thanks.

[tornado]

just like a foul call, the officials have the leeway to use their judgement on technicals...

essentially it is a technical when the ref says it is, and the rule books aren't really relevent.

[it's boogie time]

If he has a broken nose like was stated in post-game, I would expect him to miss at least the next 2-3 games while they have to fit him for a face guard...

They then will wait until after the season most likely to fix the break...

I would be astonished to see him play Sat. unless the diagnosis was not true.

I'm not a doctor, but I did break my nose during a basketball season back in the day. I was able to play right away without a mask or anything. After I had the surgury a week later, I was out for a couple of weeks and had to return with a mask.

[LG281]

Your last sentence is correct. Now i'll explain what that means. The intent of the rule is simple. The ONLY time it includes the player doing the hanging is when there IS a player beneath the basket on the floor, where landing may cause an injury to either player. If I'm understanding you correctly, Your saying the officials would have to determine if the dunker could be injured with no one under the basket and that would be false on the test and there would never be a technical called unless the guilty party swung from the rim and that is just not how the rule is applied. T was in the process of dunking was fouled, hung on the rim with no one underneath him and th Technical was the correct call. If someone had been on the floor beneath him that would not have been the case. That is plain and simple the intent of the rule and how it is applied. You are trying to read something into this situation that is just not there. To make this real simple just remember NEVER hang unless a body is beneath you and we will never have this call again.

Listen - we know now that he got the T for slapping the glass after he hung on the rim, so it really is silly to keep arguing this. BTW, he really didn't hang that long (no longer than the SEMO player did in the first half) AND he had atleast 3 SEMO defenders bumping him throughout the play. He dodged two before the dunk, was fouled, and had to avoid coming down and colliding with another afterwards.

[braves12]

wily coyote,

Pleasse tell any of the officials you might know that judgment is important and the rule books are not relevant.

[lefty]

I'm not a doctor, but I did break my nose during a basketball season back in the day. I was able to play right away without a mask or anything. After I had the surgury a week later, I was out for a couple of weeks and had to return with a mask.

A few years ago my son broke his nose during the State Farm classic.

He came out for a few mintues and then went in and finished the game.
Played two more games that weekend and has surgery the next week and missed out on one game. Probably depends on the person.
He tried the mask but couldn't deal with it.

[BU_EMT128]

You open the shirt to expose the skin for a defib. also...as I stated I left as I saw he was in good hands and thats why I stated it APPEARED they were doing or going to start CPR. They were doing all the prelim stuff like watching his breathing, checking his pulse.....but I left and never actually witnessed any CPR.

He was on the ground, flat on his back for at least 20 minutes and and was placed on a cart after that. He wasn't sitting up on the ground under his own power. They CERTAINLY could have performed CPR then placed him on the gurney for transportation.

Again, I hope and pray he is OK.

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, they could have been performing CPR. As I said, I was not there, just trying to clarify what I read from the standpoint of an EMT, and am not trying to argue with you. The only thing that would strike me as odd, being an EMT registered in the Peoria Medical System, is that protocol for a cardiac arrest, i.e. the only time CPR is appropriate, is to start CPR and haul a**, to the nearest hospital. Being so close to a level 1 trauma center, it would be foolish for me, or any EMT to waste 20 precious minutes onscene with a critical patient when I am that close to the hospital. Thus, to me, and in my experience, this sounds like the same protocol i would follow for a patient having a heart attack. Depending on blood pressure, I would have them sit up, lie down, or have their feet raised, push some drugs via IV, get a monitor reading, then head to the hospital.

Also, many monitors that are used in the pre-hospital setting are also defibrillators, in fact the one i use one my patients is. I hook it up and it says "Press Charge to Shock Patient" which really gets me a weird look from a conscious patient. Then I assure them I am just looking at the monitor. So we are both technically correct on the point of why the shirt was opened.

I hope and pray that this person makes a full and speedy recover.

[it's boogie time]

A few years ago my son broke his nose during the State Farm classic.

He came out for a few mintues and then went in and finished the game.
Played two more games that weekend and has surgery the next week and missed out on one game. Probably depends on the person.
He tried the mask but couldn't deal with it.

That sounds about the same for me, except it was the Cornjerker Classic. There was a lot of blood on my jersey, but it really didn't hurt, so I played the rest of the game.

When I did have the mask after the surgery, I kept taking it off beause I couldn't see much and it was wierd to run with. They ended up giving me some plastic thing that they taped on my nose.

[SFP]

i for one am not pleased

they played too much in spurts, were up 14 at haltime but then with 18:20 left in the second half were only up 7 you cannot do that against teams like Creighton, SIU or ISU.

SEMO is/was terrible. They didnt even make shots in warmups.

Our opponent seems like they always have a guy score 20 on us.

When they gave up the quick 7-0 run to start the half, I call a timeout Jim Les. Your trying to prove to your guys that not putting in 110% is going to get you benched, well i believe that is the perfect opportunity to send that message. Pull all there butts (lack of a better word) out of the game.

I was thinking the same thing! We won and for that I am happy but as warren5 said if we pull what we did to start the 2nd 1/2 against a better team we're in for a long evening. I'm sure JL is addressing this and a bunch more things. I bet he is not to happy once he looks at game film of some of the silly TOs and lack of defense occasionally. We are still allowing players to take us baseline. This is as simple as puting your feet on the baseline and not allowing them that space. SS is great at this but know one else seems to use the baseline as an extra defender. Let the guy head to the middle where the weakside help should be.