Using a time out

[houstontxbrave]

JL made this statement in the PJstar article.

Les said the game's opening minutes dictated the tone of the contest.

'We let 'em get into an offensive rhythm right off the bat,' he said. 'You let a good team who's playing well get into that type of rhythm before we decided to guard, they had a pretty good flow going.

My question, is if he can tell, as I believe everyone else watching could, that we let them get into a rythum and we were not intense, why didnt he call a timeout to try and establish a little intensity or stop the offensive rythum of Butler?

[SaintLouBrave22]

JL made this statement in the PJstar article.

Les said the game's opening minutes dictated the tone of the contest.

'We let 'em get into an offensive rhythm right off the bat,' he said. 'You let a good team who's playing well get into that type of rhythm before we decided to guard, they had a pretty good flow going.

My question, is if he can tell, as I believe everyone else watching could, that we let them get into a rythum and we were not intense, why didnt he call a timeout to try and establish a little intensity or stop the offensive rythum of Butler?

Saying this after the game is one thing...

The previous coach did that a lot...


Actually noticing this DURING said game and doing something about it is another...


Their coach did it...we obviously did not...

[BradleyBrave]

With a veteran team, maybe you let them play through it. With a young team, I think you need to be more 'hands on' as a coach. By all accounts, we have a young/inexperienced team. So far through 8 games, I think it's been shown that the 'hands on' approach is necessary. I doubt an early TO changes the outcome, but I do think it prevents us from digging a 20-6 hole in the first 5 minutes of the game.

[SaintLouBrave22]

With a veteran team, maybe you let them play through it. With a young team, I think you need to be more 'hands on' as a coach. By all accounts, we have a young/inexperienced team. So far through 8 games, I think it's been shown that the 'hands on' approach is necessary. I doubt an early TO changes the outcome, but I do think it prevents us from digging a 20-6 hole in the first 5 minutes of the game.

I don't want to harp on this, but its so hard to explain how there are so many excuses by the announcers and staff for us having such a young team yet Butler starts 3 Freshman and a Soph. and they are playing so extremely well as a unit...


And yes, I agree that maybe a timeout should have been taken, for nothing else than to explain that someone needed to close out on the shooters and get some intensity and motivation into the players that seemed to be lacking...

1 player had 17 points by halftime...I would figure that would be discussed until someone was blue in the face...

[houstontxbrave]

I said in the chat room when it went to 7-2 and I think they were heading to the line JL needed a time out. We looked lost and had turned it over 2 times on 3 possessions.

Instead he never took a time out and we got buried quick.

[SFP]

We also got within 5 and the crowd was into it and this team could not dig in a little deeper to bridge that gap. 5 quick points later the other way JL called a TO and you could see his frustration on his face. This team has the talent but they need to find the instinct to either put away teams or get back into the game completely. I thought JL put the team in a position to do that but there was not a player that could just take over when we needed it. I believe we will have those guys in the future but that type of bridge building comes from upper class men which beside TW we really do not have an offensive weapon.

[SaintLouBrave22]

We also got within 5 and the crowd was into it and this team could not dig in a little deeper to bridge that gap. 5 quick points later the other way JL called a TO and you could see his frustration on his face. This team has the talent but they need to find the instinct to either put away teams or get back into the game completely. I thought JL put the team in a position to do that but there was not a player that could just take over when we needed it. I believe we will have those guys in the future but that type of bridge building comes from upper class men which beside TW we really do not have an offensive weapon.

My only concern at that point...we got it down to 5 and then he promptly substituted again, thus breaking our momentum...

It makes the effort that McCain, Brown, and Singh put forth in that time span to get it down to 5 seem much less...


For whatever reason he consistently seems to do this...


He did it 3 or 4 times last night alone...

[Braves4Life]

My only concern at that point...we got it down to 5 and then he promptly substituted again, thus breaking our momentum...

It makes the effort that McCain, Brown, and Singh put forth in that time span to get it down to 5 seem much less...


For whatever reason he consistently seems to do this...


He did it 3 or 4 times last night alone...

I noticed this too and didn't like it. However, I think sometime Les sends the sub to the scorer's table to check in just before our team suddenly goes on a run. Then it happens unexpectedly and the sub has to come in; I'm sure he'd like to reverse that decision but he can't.

I guess that's the risk when you have an athletic team that goes on sporadic runs.

[Long-Hair's Lunatics]

anyone else notice that when ever we got close or went on a run, Butlers coach called a time out and took away the crowd before we could have any effect. It was like everyone was trying to be loud and stand up but some well placed time outs by the bad guys hushed us up a bit. Time outs can be useful and I think Butler took advantage of them last night.


just my 2 cents worth....

[SFP]

anyone else notice that when ever we got close or went on a run, Butlers coach called a time out and took away the crowd before we could have any effect. It was like everyone was trying to be loud and stand up but some well placed time outs by the bad guys hushed us up a bit. Time outs can be useful and I think Butler took advantage of them last night.

I did notice but the crowd needs to then step it up after the TO. Sometimes I question our fans overall basketball IQ. Here in SF at the baseball games there are a core group of hardcore fans but the majority are there for the event and as we call them the wine and cheese crowd. I hate taking my GF because she fits right in with that crowd and wants to leave by the 7th inning.

My only concern at that point...we got it down to 5 and then he promptly substituted again, thus breaking our momentum...

It makes the effort that McCain, Brown, and Singh put forth in that time span to get it down to 5 seem much less...


For whatever reason he consistently seems to do this...


He did it 3 or 4 times last night alone...

I noticed he took TW out for TB right after he jammed that put back with his left hand. I though right there that TW was going to take us on his back.

[Braves4Life]

I noticed he took TW out for TB right after he jammed that put back with his left hand. I though right there that TW was going to take us on his back.

Yes. But, unfortunately, Les already had TB at the scorer's table ready to come in before that dunk. I'm sure if he could have pulled TB back to the bench he would have.

[lefty]

Yes. But, unfortunately, Les already had TB at the scorer's table ready to come in before that dunk. I'm sure if he could have pulled TB back to the bench he would have.

Right after that dunk before he came out TW couldn't execute a simple entry pass into the post. I don't know that it was a big deal TW came out then

[BUBraves2006]

The way they took the crowd out of the game was not because of Butler's coaching.

The way they took the crowd out is that every single time Bradley made a run, Butler would hit a big shot. This probably happened 5-10 times where there was a glimmer of hope but then Jukes, Hahn, Hayward or Mack slipped in another dagger.

The Bulldogs had the most effective way of shutting a crowd up - hit shots.

I didn't see a team that was vastly better coached, I saw a team with better players.

[Long-Hair's Lunatics]

I agree

[BradleyBrave]

The way they took the crowd out of the game was not because of Butler's coaching.

The way they took the crowd out is that every single time Bradley made a run, Butler would hit a big shot. This probably happened 5-10 times where there was a glimmer of hope but then Jukes, Hahn, Hayward or Mack slipped in another dagger.

The Bulldogs had the most effective way of shutting a crowd up - hit shots.

I didn't see a team that was vastly better coached, I saw a team with better players.

They were better coached. They ran an offense. They didn't make fundamental defensive mistakes. They hustled. They may have had better players, but they were also better players who were better coached last night.