Final: Butler 87 Bradley 75

[Guinness]

I didnt even bother to watch. Think this is the first game in a long while too. This season is beyond repair. Butler was our last chance to make a statement. Dont see us getting to the finals in the MVC either.

As the Cubs fans would say. There's always next year.

[ER3]

I sometimes get the feeling that he has the same syndrome Ron Zook at UIUC has....

Can recruit the players....


Can not coach the players....

Watching this game tonight, a group of us in our section were all wondering aloud if this very same thing applies here at BU...

Both teams on the floor tonight were very young, neither team had players that had played together enough to develop a lot of chemistry, etc...

Yet...one team looked very disciplined, very well-taught, very fundamentally sound, very prepared, and executed an excellent game plan...that was Butler, the road team...they shot well, didn't turn the ball over, and repeatedly worked their offense to perfection...ending up with a wide open three or a layup over and over and over again.

Meanwhile, the other team, the home team, they executed poorly on both ends of the floor, played with little to no intensity, showed very little discipline or composure, was careless with the ball on offense, had breakdown after breakdown on defense, missed block out assignments repeatedly, and just looked completely unprepared for the game in so many ways...from both a psychological and Xs and Os perspective.

I certainly don't expect this team to win as many games as they would if Warren and Egolf were healthy...however, I do expect them to look like a disciplined, composed, well-coached team that plays hard every night and shows the ability to make adjustments and learn from their mistakes and breakdowns...I didn't see that tonight...They didn't play hard until it was far too late, they weren't disciplined, they did not play with composure, they did not make good decisions, they did not make adjustments throughout the game, and they simply did not appear to be a well-coached team out there tonight...

[tornado]

Sam had 1 assist. AT got the same number in the last 3 minutes.

I thought it was a sport on this board to deride blatently selfish players on other teams.....

Sam passed the ball plenty of times to other players, and hit numerous open guys.
It isn't his fault if they didn't score off the pass.

and the 3-pointers that put Butler up by 14 real early in the game were while we played man to man, in case the facts actually matter.
From that point on we played 'em even, but we lost it in the first 5 minutes when they didn't miss a three.

Also, does anyone know who the two recruits were sitting behind the Bradley bench. ....

The recruits at the game included Donivine Stewart, Demarius Sumrell, Jordan Prosser, Tyler Les (all right behind the bench)
and Nick Rochford right behind Da Coach.

Last time I checked Mo had a 1st place team.

Western Illinois is undefeated in the Summit Conference, and presently in FIRST PLACE.

[TNel]

Watching this game tonight, a group of us in our section were all wondering aloud if this very same thing applies here at BU...

Both teams on the floor tonight were very young, neither team had players that had played together enough to develop a lot of chemistry, etc...

Yet...one team looked very disciplined, very well-taught, very fundamentally sound, very prepared, and executed an excellent game plan...that was Butler, the road team...they shot well, didn't turn the ball over, and repeatedly worked their offense to perfection...ending up with a wide open three or a layup over and over and over again.

Meanwhile, the other team, the home team, they executed poorly on both ends of the floor, played with little to no intensity, showed very little discipline or composure, was careless with the ball on offense, had breakdown after breakdown on defense, missed block out assignments repeatedly, and just looked completely unprepared for the game in so many ways...from both a psychological and Xs and Os perspective.

I certainly don't expect this team to win as many games as they would if Warren and Egolf were healthy...however, I do expect them to look like a disciplined, composed, well-coached team that plays hard every night and shows the ability to make adjustments and learn from their mistakes and breakdowns...I didn't see that tonight...They didn't play hard until it was far too late, they weren't disciplined, they did not play with composure, they did not make good decisions, they did not make adjustments throughout the game, and they simply did not appear to be a well-coached team out there tonight...

Amen. And Amen. Discipline and composure. It was amazing to watch the Butler newbies play like seasoned veterans in their EIGHTH game. Crisp passes. Good screens. Blocking out. Finding the open man. Sound fundamentals. That, my friends, is a d _ _ n-well coached team.

[lefty]

It doesn't matter who's in the lineup right now. There are fundamental issues with the way we play as a team.
There were two different teams last night on the floor.
Both were young...Butler played excellent help defense, they hardly ever missed a rotation and communicated very well, They rebounde pretty wel and outhustled us the whole game for the most part.
The excuted offensively going through the post many times and taking the right shot most all the time.
They are a very disciplined team and respond well to their coach.
We don't even execute some simple things very well right now at either end.
I don't know if it's coaching,leadership, desire from the players, players abilities or what but we need to figure it out soon.
Not sure how much AW will help if the rest of the team isn't fundamentally sound.

[SaintLouBrave22]

It doesn't matter who's in the lineup right now. There are fundamental issues with the way we play as a team.
There were two different teams last night on the floor.
Both were young...Butler played excellent help defense, they hardly ever missed a rotation and communicated very well, They rebounde pretty wel and outhustled us the whole game for the most part.
The excuted offensively going through the post many times and taking the right shot most all the time.
They are a very disciplined team and respond well to their coach.
We don't even execute some simple things very well right now at either end.
I don't know if it's coaching,leadership, desire from the players, players abilities or what but we need to figure it out soon.
Not sure how much AW will help if the rest of the team isn't fundamentally sound.

Amen to all points...

If anyone thinks Andrew Warren would throw a cape on and direct us to the promised land, I think they are mistaken though IMO...

As you said, we have a whole lot of stuff wrong right now...

I just want to know how losing Will eliminates the "TEAM" concept we saw against Richmond...

Andrew and Will are not playing the rest of the year so everyone better start getting used to the players we have...that is all of the fans...

That also includes the coaches as well...

[lefty]

Watching this game tonight, a group of us in our section were all wondering aloud if this very same thing applies here at BU...

Both teams on the floor tonight were very young, neither team had players that had played together enough to develop a lot of chemistry, etc...

Yet...one team looked very disciplined, very well-taught, very fundamentally sound, very prepared, and executed an excellent game plan...that was Butler, the road team...they shot well, didn't turn the ball over, and repeatedly worked their offense to perfection...ending up with a wide open three or a layup over and over and over again.

Meanwhile, the other team, the home team, they executed poorly on both ends of the floor, played with little to no intensity, showed very little discipline or composure, was careless with the ball on offense, had breakdown after breakdown on defense, missed block out assignments repeatedly, and just looked completely unprepared for the game in so many ways...from both a psychological and Xs and Os perspective.

I certainly don't expect this team to win as many games as they would if Warren and Egolf were healthy...however, I do expect them to look like a disciplined, composed, well-coached team that plays hard every night and shows the ability to make adjustments and learn from their mistakes and breakdowns...I didn't see that tonight...They didn't play hard until it was far too late, they weren't disciplined, they did not play with composure, they did not make good decisions, they did not make adjustments throughout the game, and they simply did not appear to be a well-coached team out there tonight...

I guess I wasn't paying attention to previous posts...you said it very well.

Funny thing just watching warm-up and how their players look....it's hard to see them as an 8-0 team....but not after watching them play

[tornado]

it might be noted that three of their starters were recruited by Bradley, and we were reasonably close on at least two of them...but ...

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[SaintLouBrave22]

I guess I wasn't paying attention to previous posts...you said it very well.

Funny thing just watching warm-up and how their players look....it's hard to see them as an 8-0 team....but not after watching them play

Anyone that watched warmups...

Did you notice most of their players were very business like and working on their shooting while some of our players were sitting down talking to various ppl...

The only guys that were shooting the majority of the time were Phillips, Lavin, and a couple others I can't recall off the top of my head...


At the time I felt that was a bit strange...


Also from watching the warmups, I knew #20 could shoot the ball really REALLY well...apparently our coaches fell asleep on that assignment during scouting.


My last point...why don't we have a coach watching the other team prep and warmup for the game...you can learn a lot based on how shooters prepare and shoot in warmups in opposing arenas.

[tornado]

Here's a funny one....
some guy on the SIU board, where there's been a lot of ripping on Lowery lately, has predicted this
in a thread that talks about the coaches in Chicagoland (Jerry Wainwright, etc..)

"I also think this is the beginning of the end for Jim Les.
.... I think it may be a difficult year in Peoria.
I don't think there are a lot of Bradley fans happy with the coaching.

..Who will be coaching Bradley in 2010-11?"


hmm....first....Bradley is hardly to be discussed in regard to Chicago area teams, we are further from Chicago than UIUC or ISU!
second...I think there's no more unhappiness here than in Carbondale if I read the posts correctly...

[SaintLouBrave22]

Here's a funny one....
some guy on the SIU board, where there's been a lot of ripping on Lowery lately, has predicted this
in a thread that talks about the coaches in Chicagoland (Jerry Wainwright, etc..)

"I also think this is the beginning of the end for Jim Les.
.... I think it may be a difficult year in Peoria.
I don't think there are a lot of Bradley fans happy with the coaching.

..Who will be coaching Bradley in 2010-11?"


hmm....first....Bradley is hardly to be discussed in regard to Chicago area teams, we are further from Chicago than UIUC or ISU!
second...I think there's no more unhappiness here than in Carbondale if I read the posts correctly...

As in both places, we expect better from our teams and coaches...


Lowery's seat is much cooler because they have won Valley titles and we have not...


DePaul on the other hand...


I'm just not exactly sure what to say about that...I think thats a dead end job at this point w/ them moving to the Big East and not being able to contend w/ the other IL coaches and Marquette and so on for recruits.

[pfunk880]

Watching this game tonight, a group of us in our section were all wondering aloud if this very same thing applies here at BU...

Both teams on the floor tonight were very young, neither team had players that had played together enough to develop a lot of chemistry, etc...

Yet...one team looked very disciplined, very well-taught, very fundamentally sound, very prepared, and executed an excellent game plan...that was Butler, the road team...they shot well, didn't turn the ball over, and repeatedly worked their offense to perfection...ending up with a wide open three or a layup over and over and over again.

Meanwhile, the other team, the home team, they executed poorly on both ends of the floor, played with little to no intensity, showed very little discipline or composure, was careless with the ball on offense, had breakdown after breakdown on defense, missed block out assignments repeatedly, and just looked completely unprepared for the game in so many ways...from both a psychological and Xs and Os perspective.

I certainly don't expect this team to win as many games as they would if Warren and Egolf were healthy...however, I do expect them to look like a disciplined, composed, well-coached team that plays hard every night and shows the ability to make adjustments and learn from their mistakes and breakdowns...I didn't see that tonight...They didn't play hard until it was far too late, they weren't disciplined, they did not play with composure, they did not make good decisions, they did not make adjustments throughout the game, and they simply did not appear to be a well-coached team out there tonight...

Absolutely. Yeah, it's going to be harder to win games without AW and WE, but you still have to play the game the right way. You still have to be able to execute the fundamentals.

[Dubl R 1]

The best post passers on the team are Brown and Roberts...BY FAR!

I agree here SaintLouBrave22. Even if Taylor doesn't throw the ball down there, he at least gives it a look. I even made the remark at the game last night that "Taylor Brown is the only guy on the team that ever makes a post feed." He got Sam Singh the ball on the block in the 2nd half which resulted in a block to block feed to Chris Roberts for a lay-up.

You have to throw the ball to the post just to keep the defense honest, and when your shooting in the mid 20%'s, why not try it. I'd actually like to see some cross screening down there and get Theron the ball on the block, I still say he's a lost man and under utilized in our offensive set.

[SaintLouBrave22]

I agree here SaintLouBrave22. Even if Taylor doesn't throw the ball down there, he at least gives it a look. I even made the remark at the game last night that "Taylor Brown is the only guy on the team that ever makes a post feed." He got Sam Singh the ball on the block in the 2nd half which resulted in a block to block feed to Chris Roberts for a lay-up.
You have to throw the ball to the post just to keep the defense honest, and when your shooting in the mid 20%'s, why not try it. I'd actually like to see some cross screening down there and get Theron the ball on the block, I still say he's a lost man and under utilized in our offensive set.

That may have been the best team passing effort I've seen all year

[SFP]

I agree here SaintLouBrave22. Even if Taylor doesn't throw the ball down there, he at least gives it a look. I even made the remark at the game last night that "Taylor Brown is the only guy on the team that ever makes a post feed." He got Sam Singh the ball on the block in the 2nd half which resulted in a block to block feed to Chris Roberts for a lay-up.

You have to throw the ball to the post just to keep the defense honest, and when your shooting in the mid 20%'s, why not try it. I'd actually like to see some cross screening down there and get Theron the ball on the block, I still say he's a lost man and under utilized in our offensive set.

I agree 100%. I also saw DC wide open a few times during the 1st 10 minutes and they refused to pass him the ball, and I mean WIDE open. If I was on a team and trying to work it, again YMCA talk, and I was open countless of times and someone gunned it, I'd stop hustling also. I know he should give it his all regardless but I guess he does not have the temperment to lay down the law. I'm sure MS would have grabbed those guards by the throat at 1/2 time and made sure the ball would come his way a few times.