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  • How the Valley can earn mulitple NCAA bids this year

    After learning of another disgusting loss today (SIU losing at home to a previously one win Charlotte team!), now would be the time to discuss how the Valley can salvage this season.

    I seem to remember a couple of relatively mediocre years for the Valley in the early 2000's (RPI in the 10 to 12 range), where SIU and Creighton dominated the league. While the Valley had no other teams that would even rightfully be considered for the Big Dance, SIU and Creighton each had 15 or more wins for two seasons. Both had decent to excellent RPI's to the point where the loser in the Valley championship game earned an at-large bid. This again despite a sub top 10 RPI for the Valley.

    This is what will need to take place this year. Instead of having one team running away with the league as Drake did last year and hoping someone would beat them in the Valley tournament, we need two teams to just thoroughly beat up on the rest of the conference, and let them duke it out in the Valley tourney. Possibly a third team wins the tourney, and we get three teams in, albeit in a longshot. But this again does confirm the belief that teams do indeed earn bids, not conferences. And while the BCS conferences will get the benefit of the doubt most of the time, two dominating teams in the Valley would work to our advantage.

    We complain when the pundits trot that adage out when the Valley and others get hosed out of multiple bids, but we also should hold some truth to this when it works to our advantage. As an example, I seem to remember a situation in the Horizon Conference about ten years ago when UIC and Detroit dominated that conference (both went 13-3 in the conference I believe), and both had top 40 RPI's and 20+ win seasons. Then of course Butler wins the Horizon tournament, an all three teams make the Big Dance. I believe the Horizon had a #10 RPI that year, which of course is two spots lower than the one bid Valley last year.

    So I believe now is not the time to give up on the Valley this year. But it sure would help more if teams like SIU and Creighton get their acts together and start winning the games they are supposed to.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Bravesfan View Post
    But it sure would help more if teams like SIU and Creighton get their acts together and start winning games they are supposed to.
    isu is the only team winning the games they're supposed to at this point. Of course, it would also be embarrassing if they lost to anyone on their schedule.
    ???People say, ???Forget last year', but I want our guys to remember that one, because that will not happen again. We will be much better.??? Geno Ford, 9/22/12

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bravesfan View Post
      This is what will need to take place this year. Instead of having one team running away with the league as Drake did last year and hoping someone would beat them in the Valley tournament, we need two teams to just thoroughly beat up on the rest of the conference, and let them duke it out in the Valley tourney.
      I like the idea, but there aren't two dominant teams in the Valley. SIU isn't going to be one of them (though they'll still be up there, like they always are). From what I've seen from different teams in the Valley, I think that the most likely teams that could do that are ISU (Red, haha ) and Creighton. But, I don't see that happening either.

      Everyone's likely to beat up on one another which will really hurt any chance at two bids.
      Go Braves!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bravesfan View Post
        ...
        ...SIU losing at home to a previously one win Charlotte team...
        ok...here is the evidence that Charlotte is actually a pretty good team....

        Last night they hammered a decent Mississippi State team at Starkville, MS, and kinda dominated in all aspects...like what they did at SIU...

        save for the garbage time points and two wild 3-pointers in the final 10 seconds or so...this was a 24 point blowout.

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        • #5
          I think we all know/agree that anything can happen in the Valley. There are no gimme games anywhere, so it won't be easy for 1 or 2 teams to run away with it. There could be some decent separation between the top 4-5 and the bottom 4-5, but who knows. That said, I think the only way we get 2 teams in the Dance is if the regular season champion and tourney champion are 2 different teams. It was basically the same situation last year, but DU won both, and they were the only bid. We'll need 1 team to win the reg. season and another to win the tourney to get 2 bids this year IMHO.

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          • #6
            ISU and Creighton are it right now...

            ISU wins the tournament and Creighton wins the regular season title...


            As of now, thats about the only way 2 get in.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SaintLouBrave22 View Post
              ISU and Creighton are it right now...

              ISU wins the tournament and Creighton wins the regular season title...


              As of now, thats about the only way 2 get in.
              Yep, that's pretty much it.

              Only way we dance is if we win the tourney in STL. For the sake of discussion...IF we were to win the regular season title, but don't win the tourney, we won't get an at-large with our schedule (unless the selection committee becomes EXTRAORDINARILY lenient, which won't happen.)

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              • #8
                Unless Doug Elgin spends a few grand on a good PI and gets naked pictures of Miles Brand, I don't think it's gonna happen.....
                A real fan celebrates the successes, but also acknowledges the failures of his team.

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                • #9
                  I still think the regular season title, especially if it comes at 15-3 or better, will hold enough meaning. If ISU posts something in the neighborhood of 25-4 (15-3), I'd have to think they'd be safe. Creighton and Drake are the other schools I'd feel comfortable with at 15-3 guaranteeing a spot for.

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                  • #10
                    Creighton at least has built an NCAA-worthy resume so far. The UALR loss probably won't end up being a bad loss for the Jays. Nebraska's only loss is to probable NCAA team Arizona State.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BU ICEMAN View Post
                      Unless Doug Elgin spends a few grand on a good PI and gets naked pictures of Miles Brand, I don't think it's gonna happen.....
                      Things that make you go BLEEEEEHHHHCK

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                      • #12
                        We could try to bribe the selection committee, this is Illinois....
                        Return to Glory

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                        • #13
                          I would have to agree that the only way we go dancing is to win the tourney. I see use losing 10 games, and our non-con losses, with no quality wins, is never good. Our big goal right now should be to scrape a respectable conference season, and not play on thursday in STL
                          Bradley Basketball... One Tradition; Underachievement. 2008-Current.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rusty 54 View Post
                            We could try to bribe the selection committee, this is Illinois....
                            Ya, but Jimmy Collins isn't our coach.
                            Once A Brave ... Always A Brave

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Phantom View Post

                              we won't get an at-large with our schedule ...
                              didn't stop Coach Jankovich from spinning a bit.........

                              "While many critics are bashing ISU for having a “soft” nonconference
                              schedule, Jankovich said a team’s record can be misleading. He points out
                              that Morehead State started with road games at Louisiana-Monroe,
                              Vanderbilt, Drake and Louisville. The Eagles have won their last three games.
                              “A lot of people with that schedule would be 0-4,” said Jankovich."



                              Central Michigan is next at 2-5, RPI >> 200

                              In today's St. Louis Post Dispatch, Rick Majerus used the same ploy and talked up Samford as really a pretty good team!
                              But Samford is a really BAD team, especially on the road where all their games so far have been blowout losses,
                              and their only win was a home win against RPI 333 Lipscomb.
                              (Samford's RPI is 307, their record is 1-4, and they scored only 49 against Saint Louis and only 22 against Ohio State!)

                              Next up for Saint Louis -- South Carolina Upstate, 0-6 and RPI rated at about 300 - wonder what Majerus thinks about them??

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