ESPN.com's Power Rankings: Week 4

[shaunguth]

That's your right to think that way. I think we might have to wait til the end of the year before we can really grade what the Final results of ISU's schedule or anyone else's schedule is though.

I don't have a problem not giving in to the Big Boys (BCS). I am not a fan of our schedule, but I am okay not getting "pimped" out for 2 for 1's or 1 for 0's either.

I don't think any team in the Valley should make a habit of it, but for a school to "refuse" such offers outright is a little absurd if you ask me. I'm glad it doesn't happen often, but I'm also glad to have a team like Michigan State come to town and be taken down to the wire.

[cpacmel]

CPac - didn't ISU agree to a 1-for-0 with Cincy a few years ago. Like in the late 90's - I recall them getting a midnight tip-off at Cincy on ESPN or something. It was a late deal and ISU jumped at the chance for exposure.

What about Kansas in 2001 or UIUC in 2002?

It's Zenger's policy.

We've had 1 for 1's with Cincy and St. John's somewhat recently. All of our other BCS foes have come in tourneys.

[shaunguth]

I'm just glad Les has the following stance on such "deals".....

'We'd love to continue these types of series against Michigan State or schools like Michigan State,' Les said. 'But it always centers on those schools coming back to Peoria at least once.'

[amckillip]

UM-KC is from the Summit League. Right? You brought up the Summit League fishy. BTW, take a look at the Summit League vs. the Big West and tell me which do you think is more impressive to date.

Why would we compare the two. Your touting a Big West #2 as one of your best non-con. We've got Florida and MSU, then Butler, and Richmond to boot. You're taking one of our worst non-con opponents and picking at them... (probably because we lost), while comparing them to the top of your non-con. It just doesn't make sense. Our top 4 are easily better than your top one, maybe top 5 (ETSU), one of your top 2 we played already and beat. ILSU is looking good, but you trying to compare our opponents is just laughable.

[cpacmel]

Regarding seeing ISU as the only at-largeable school right now is related to performance. The Valley is having a rough time with the non-con, though I'm not sure how any of that is related to what you and I are actually discussing. What we were talking about, was strength of non-con schedules and there are a couple of schools in the Valley who have very tough schedules. ISU isn't one of them. That's all I've ever been debating... The only game that looked like a decent game was the Wright State game.

We've been all over the place in this thread. From non-conference games, to the BB, to At-Large bids, etc.

The 1-bid status of the MVC has more to do with wins and losses than with strength of schedule. Bradley's schedule is just sort of so-so, but it's still much stronger than ISU's. SIU has a very tough schedule, they just aren't converting. On the other side of the spectrum you have ISU-- completely weak schedule but a good record.

But here we are in Dec. And who's to say which schedule was better for which team.

Take a good hard look at Drake's schedule from last year. They had a good win against St. Mary's ( a top 40 school) and then they got a great BB foe in Butler ( a top 20 school). After those 2 teams, who are their good or even great wins against? And please don't tell me Iowa or Iowa State or as Kirk Wessler would say "I am going to vomit"!

[cpacmel]

Why would we compare the two. Your touting a Big West #2 as one of your best non-con. We've got Florida and MSU, then Butler, and Richmond to boot. You're taking one of our worst non-con opponents and picking at them... (probably because we lost), while comparing them to the top of your non-con. It just doesn't make sense. Our top 4 are easily better than your top one, maybe top 5 (ETSU), one of your top 2 we played already and beat. ILSU is looking good, but you trying to compare our opponents is just laughable.

He brought the Summit league up, not me. And he made the comparison between the Summit League and the Big West.

I don't think I have even brought up Bradley's schedule once in this entire thread. (well I did mention UM-KC being from the Summit League, but that is.)

[dogsrus]

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Regarding seeing ISU as the only at-largeable school right now is related to performance. The Valley is having a rough time with the non-con, though I'm not sure how any of that is related to what you and I are actually discussing. What we were talking about, was strength of non-con schedules and there are a couple of schools in the Valley who have very tough schedules. ISU isn't one of them. That's all I've ever been debating... The only game that looked like a decent game was the Wright State game.

We've been all over the place in this thread. From non-conference games, to the BB, to At-Large bids, etc.


But here we are in Dec. And who's to say which schedule was better for which team.

Take a good hard look at Drake's schedule from last year. They had a good win against St. Mary's ( a top 40 school) and then they got a great BB foe in Butler ( a top 20 school). After those 2 teams, who are their good or even great wins against? And please don't tell me Iowa or Iowa State or as Kirk Wessler would say "I am going to vomit"!

Vomit becuase of Iowa or Iowa State yet continue to try and put lipstick on the pig of a schedule for ISU.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm........

[cpacmel]

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Vomit becuase of Iowa or Iowa State yet continue to try and put lipstick on the pig of a schedule for ISU.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm........

You guys love the RPI. Give me last year's RPI's and Win-losses for both.

Better yet, I will do it for ya:

Iowa 13-18 RPI 180

Iowa State 13-19 RPI 192

Last year that was the equivalent to beating Wichita State (11-21 RPI 199)

[shaunguth]

You guys love the RPI.

Really???

[cpacmel]

I don't think any team in the Valley should make a habit of it, but for a school to "refuse" such offers outright is a little absurd if you ask me. I'm glad it doesn't happen often, but I'm also glad to have a team like Michigan State come to town and be taken down to the wire.

Creighton doesn't do it either.

[shaunguth]

Creighton doesn't do it either.

Ok......I still think it's absurd!

[cpacmel]

Really???

Do a search for RPI and let me know how theads come back!

And Shaunguth you can think anything you want about it. Some schools just don't like to "pimp" themselves out to the Big Boys. Your okay with it.

[shaunguth]

Do a search for RPI and let me know how theads come back!

Do another search and let me know where I've ever said the RPI is reliable this early in the season.

[shaunguth]

Do a search for RPI and let me know how theads come back!

And Shaunguth you can think anything you want about it. Some schools just don't like to "pimp" themselves out to the Big Boys. Your okay with it.

Yes...I'm glad we "pimp" ourselves out every great once in awhile for the opportunity to get a Michigan State to come to town. You'd think a school that doesn't do so well with attendance wouldn't refuse those chances.

And yes....I do think it's ridiculous to have a policy to refuse such opportunities.

[cpacmel]

Do another search and let me know where I've ever said the RPI is reliable this early in the season.

Never said you did shaunguth. I believe the term I used was "you guys".

Yes...I'm glad we "pimp" ourselves out every great once in awhile for the opportunity to get a Michigan State to come to town.

Well that is just sad that you put a team like Michigan State and the Big Boys on such a pedestal.

I guess some people are just happy being Mid Majors. I'm not thrilled with the schedule, but in the same instance I am glad we didn't have to become someone's b**** just to get a single home game either.

You'd think a school that doesn't do so well with attendance wouldn't refuse those chances.

I am proud of you. It only took you what 4-5 posts to toss in the attendance thing. I am sure it was just eating you up inside wanting to get that "shot" in.

Feel better?