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  • Is Probation Any Real Penalty At All?

    Seriously....hear me out...

    If a team isn't on probation and commits a violation, then the NCAA looks as far back as they want to try to prove a pattern and hammer the team as hard as they want.
    Didn't they do this to BU by linking the violations in the summer of 2005 with the penalties BU got back in the mid-1980's?

    Then even if a team is ON probation, the NCAA sometimes totally overlooks certain such facts and goes easy anyway!!
    Remember how Kelvin Sampson was already nailed while he was at Oklahoma and yet DURING the cautionary and probationary period, he committed the exact same violations at Indiana, lied about them, and Indiana made little to NO effort to watch the guy and check on compliance!!
    Yet, IU gets virtually NOTHING as a penalty, and is given a couple years of this useless "probation".

    I suppose nobody recalls this......
    Kansas placed itself on probation in 2005 and then when the NCAA investigated, they found even MORE serious violations, like the $5000 cash given to Darnell Jackson and JR Giddens.
    Yet--- Jackson was allowed to stay and play at Kansas and finish his career and even win a national title, and the NCAA added NOTHING to their penalties, either except even more (one more year) of useless probation.

    BUT-- as I have shown recently, the NCAA has lowered the hammer on numerous smaller programs like SEMO, Alabama State, University of DC, etc... none of whom had any track record of prior violations, had never been on probation before, were not currently on probation, and yet NONE of their violations were of a nature such as intentionally breaking rules to CHEAT, and PAY players!!

    the only conclusion I can draw, is that the issuing of "probation" by the NCAA is an act that is supposed to fool the press and others into thinking they are actually penalizing the school, when they obviously have no real intent to at all.
    If they want to hammer someone big time, they'll do it whether a school is on probation or not, and even if past violations were 20 years ago, they'll drag it up to ADD to the penalties if they so choose.
    But if a school has more issues while on probation, then expect the NCAA to go soft on them anyway if they are IU, Kansas, etc......it never fails...
    Where has the NCAA every used probation to inflict serious penalties on any major school?


    Here's one more example...Oklahoma State had been on probation THREE times in the past decade or so when the NCAA found them to have MORE major violaitons and a "corrupt recruiting climate"...
    They were nailed by the NCAA for "40 violations, many of them major"...

    So, with 40 more violations, many of which were MAJOR, and the NCAA terming Oklahoma State "corrupt",
    and coming right on the heels of the same school just coming off THREE separate probations,
    guess what penalty the NCAA gave them????

    .yup...you guessed it....Oklahoma State was given four years of....probation!!
    .... that's all...seriously, read for yourself!!
    Had this been Alabama State or Bradley, they'd have certainly gotten the death penalty!

  • #2
    It angered me slightly when i turned on ESPN, they were interviewing Crean and on a box to the right of his head quoted him as saying something along the lines of.... "I am glad we did not lose any postseasons or scholarships as that would have significantly delayed the rebuilding process."

    I feel this is a slap on the wrist for a previously convicted felon.
    Bradley Basketball... One Tradition; Underachievement. 2008-Current.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BU_EMT128 View Post
      It angered me slightly when i turned on ESPN, they were interviewing Crean and on a box to the right of his head quoted him as saying something along the lines of.... "I am glad we did not lose any postseasons or scholarships as that would have significantly delayed the rebuilding process."

      I feel this is a slap on the wrist for a previously convicted felon.
      What did Crean do? or for that matter the current AD?
      Some see a hopeless end, while others see an endless hope.

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      • #4
        Last night during the Duke-Purdue game, Dick Vitale took time out from verbally making love to the Duke program and stated that he is very happy that Indiana DID NOT receive any further penalties from the NCAA. He said that since Indiana had a new coach and all new players, that those guys didn't need any excess punishment and that the school has already suffered enough. That's not verbatim, as I'm going from memory, but it's pretty close. I can't say I'm surprised by his statements though.
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        • #5
          Is Probation Any Real Penalty At All?



          No but double secret probation is.......

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          • #6
            Murph....just to demonstrate we here at BradleyFans are every bit as fair as the NCAA is.........

            Since you are a REAL MAJOR poster on BradleyFans, for that comment, we at BradleyFans are going to put you on probation,
            but if we can ever identify who the mid-major members are, they would have gotten a 10 year ban and the death penalty, plus vacating of all their posts!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tornado View Post
              Murph....just to demonstrate we here at BradleyFans are every bit as fair as the NCAA is.........

              Since you are a REAL MAJOR poster on BradleyFans, for that comment, we at BradleyFans are going to put you on probation,
              but if we can ever identify who the mid-major members are, they would have gotten a 10 year ban and the death penalty, plus vacating of all their posts!

              Point taken Dean Wormer......

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Murph View Post
                Point taken Dean Wormer......
                TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!

                (I live for the days I can put an animal house quote on this board...)
                Bradley Basketball... One Tradition; Underachievement. 2008-Current.

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                • #9
                  A couple of my favorites--

                  Bluto - Your Delta Tau Chi name shall be Flounder
                  Flounder - Why Flounder?
                  Bluto - WHY NOT!?

                  And...

                  Otter - You know, some people find cucumbers very sensual.
                  Mrs. Wormer - No... cucumbers are sensuous. People are sensual.
                  My sports blog.

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                  • #10
                    Otter: Flounder, I am appointing you pledge representative to the social committee.
                    Flounder: Gee Otter, thanks. What do I have to do?
                    Otter: It means you have to drive us to the Food King.

                    Hoover: They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!

                    and the classic.... Otter: But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
                    Bradley Basketball... One Tradition; Underachievement. 2008-Current.

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                    • #11
                      The amazing thing about Indiana not being given a 1 season ban on post-season play is the NCAA committe could have given them a 1 year ban which in turn would have looked like they were punishing them when in fact IU will not be good enough to make any post-season tournaments this season anyway.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by real fan View Post
                        The amazing thing about Indiana not being given a 1 season ban on post-season play is the NCAA committe could have given them a 1 year ban which in turn would have looked like they were punishing them when in fact IU will not be good enough to make any post-season tournaments this season anyway.
                        That would have sent a very bad message to the rest of the BCS schools.
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