ISU 53 - Winston Salem State 33

[Da Coach]

I'm talking about the casual fan.....the ones that help fill 9,000 seats. To them, I doubt ETSU is much of a basketball tradition.

Even a greater credit to the great fans of Bradley basketball. They still draw over 9,000 for a non-conference game against a non-regional opponent that few fans know anything about.
Those are all the excuses the isu faithful are using for the woefully low turnout for their 7-0 team.

[RedbirdFan21]

Ha, ha....talk about blind and naive...

East Tennesse State - RPI 85


Nicholls State - RPI 235
Morehead State - RPI 338 (out of 343)
Wright State - RPI 336
Houston Baptist - RPI 339
Winston Salem - RPI 255

nice try.....but the opponents for ISU are in a whole different RPI-universe from BU's opponents.

See the thread about BU's upcoming opponent being the 31 RPI and #1 SOS team!
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10084

I guess ISU will probably be awful then since they can only beat bad teams... you better sweep them or it will be a bad loss...

And does it really matter if you play good teams and lose to them? Just wondering...

[shaunguth]

Even a greater credit to the great fans of Bradley basketball. They still draw over 9,000 for a non-conference game against a non-regional opponent that few fans know anything about.
Those are all the excuses the ISU faithful are using for the woefully low turnout for their 7-0 team.

Don't forget the most important one........the Saturday night game over Thanksgiving break!

[shaunguth]

And does it really matter if you play good teams and lose to them? Just wondering...

Really? You have to ask that question?

Besides, you guys are one of the best in the country......who else is 7-0?

[SaintLouBrave22]

I guess ISU will probably be awful then since they can only beat bad teams... you better sweep them or it will be a bad loss...

And does it really matter if you play good teams and lose to them? Just wondering...

It matters much more than beating a bunch of nobody's...

ISU will have to win the tournament to get in the NCAA's no doubt about that!

And really...comparing ETSU to Morehead State? Thats not very logical...especially considering the RPI difference...

ISU could win 14 conference games and still have trouble getting in because of the Cupcake U schedule....

I mean we haven't seen a schedule this poor since looking at the schedules Calhoun puts out at UConn...

Maybe Jank is trying to pad his resume to haul *ss outta town, who knows, but getting the NCAA's attention w/ wins over Winston Salem (i thought it was a cigarette and not a school) and Nicholls State just isn't going to get positive press...

[RedbirdFan21]

Florida and Michigan State are great games to get... but if you lose, I don't see how it is much more beneficial then winning a bunch of cupcake games...

RPI and SOS are meaningless...

They are NOT used when it could help a non-BCS team and ARE used when it can help a BCS team get into the field of 65

[SaintLouBrave22]

Florida and Michigan State are great games to get... but if you lose, I don't see how it is much more beneficial then winning a bunch of cupcake games...

RPI and SOS are meaningless...

They are NOT used when it could help a non-BCS team and ARE used when it can help a BCS team get into the field of 65

Yes, but being as our conference isn't considered of high merit by the committee means their conference schedule doesn't mean squat then what do you have left?

Your non con wins are not quality by any means....so really, what would there be to be proud of?

What could they say about the resume?


If Missouri State couldn't get in a few years back then why would ISU when they haven't played anyone at all?

[houstontxbrave]

I really wish that ISU would have challenged themselves this season. The program owes its fans and the players the opportunity to play good teams and give themselves a chance for an at large to the NCAA tourney.

It appears that the Head Coach and the schools AD took the thought of what their resume will look like to prosepective employers over everything else.

ISU will have to sweep the non conference and likely can only lose 3- maybe 4 conference games to get any consideration for an atlarge. Even then it would be a last in scenerio.

It really appears they did not learn anything from last season. Regardless of what Cp says their schedule hindered them from an atlarge and it will do the exact same this year, and it will also hinder the Valley.

[shaunguth]

Florida and Michigan State are great games to get... but if you lose, I don't see how it is much more beneficial then winning a bunch of cupcake games...

RPI and SOS are meaningless...

They are NOT used when it could help a non-BCS team and ARE used when it can help a BCS team get into the field of 65

You're right.....that 7-0 record is extremely impressive and should get you in! Not sure how much respect or votes in the polls you'll be getting this week though!

[shaunguth]

I really wish that ISU would have challenged themselves this season. The program owes its fans and the players the opportunity to play good teams and give themselves a chance for an at large to the NCAA tourney.

Really? What fans? The 4,000 that decide an isu game is worth their time, effort, and money?

[RedbirdFan21]

Yes, but being as our conference isn't considered of high merit by the committee means their conference schedule doesn't mean squat then what do you have left?

Your non con wins are not quality by any means....so really, what would there be to be proud of?

What could they say about the resume?


If Missouri State couldn't get in a few years back then why would ISU when they haven't played anyone at all?

I don't disagree with this statement.

Listen, no one is trying to justify ISU's horrendous schedule... it sucks... horrible... bad... embarrassing... I know...

But if we replaced FL and MSU with 2 of our cupcakes... and lost to both of them... would we be looked at in an more of a favorable light then we are now? Maybe some think so... but I dont...

[dogsrus]

Florida and Michigan State are great games to get... but if you lose, I don't see how it is much more beneficial then winning a bunch of cupcake games...

RPI and SOS are meaningless...

They are NOT used when it could help a non-BCS team and ARE used when it can help a BCS team get into the field of 65

But the outcomes are not known until the games are played......just like the lotto you can't win if you don't play em.

[shaunguth]

But the outcomes are not known until the games are played......just like the lotto you can't win if you don't play em.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until I'm proven wrong......someone is just passing through that town on their way to bigger things.

[tornado]

So a game against Michigan State on national TV on a Sunday afternoon is a meaningless game unless you win it?
Or game against a top RPI team like Butler, on midwest regional TV?


If that's what the folks at ISU think then it explains why you'd rather get Winston Salem State.
But-- I'll take the games against top opponents that get the team on TV over the kind of games that don't even fill 1/2 the lower bowl at RA.

[RedbirdFan21]

So a game against Michigan State on national TV on a Sunday afternoon is a meaningless game unless you win it?
Or game against a top RPI team like Butler, on midwest regional TV?


If that's what the folks at ISU think then it explains why you'd rather get Winston Salem State.
But-- I'll take the games against top opponents that get the team on TV over the kind of games that don't even fill 1/2 the lower bowl at RA.

I never said they were meaningless... I said that RPI and SOS are meaningless...

A game on national TV is always good for recruiting, amongst other things. But that can work both ways... if you lose to MSU by 40 on national TV (i.e. ISU/Drake MVC Final Last year)... I think that does more damage then good...

Again, no one is justifying the WEAK @SS schedule that ISU has. Would I rather play FL and MSU- YES!!! But my point is, just because you have these good games, they do not always have the good impact that it seems they will/do have...

And will you please stop saying "top RPI team in Butler"... its not funny anymore