Creighton Loses/P'Allen Benched

[tornado]

But the recent story sounds like it goes deeper...
the hint is that several players are not buying into the system.

He said "his team" has the identity crisis and (for P'Allen) that they aren't just not on the same page, "they don't even seem to be reading the same book."


Does anyone recall a couple years ago when some of Molinari's players didn't want to play Jim Les' system, and certain fans ripped JL mercilessly, criticizing him for not having control of his players, and laid 100% of the blame on Les, even after quotes came out proving some of the players "were not on the same page".
Recall - last seaons there were also numerous comments about the team's issues and lack of leadership.
Isn't this situation about the same, except these are all Dana's own players!

[Bravesfan]

Dana will get it figured out, with or without Mr. Stinnett. Dana can win either way, which is what I don't think Mr. P'Allen understands. He isn't bigger than that program. No way.

Absolutely true. But nothing like a star player's disciplinary issues dragging the whole conference down! I guess that shows how far this conference has come when you have a potential BCS type player bringing down a team with behavior problems. You normally only see this in the BCS conferences.

Then again, maybe Stinnett would fit in better at Southern Mississippi under Larry Eustacy!

[Double D]

It is very simple. When you as the coach have "issues" with the teams most talented player it will be a long year. You may still find a way to win, but it will be tough to enjoy it.

[SaintLouBrave22]

I hope Dana keeps P'Allen p'riding the p'pine.

Seriously, though... P'Allen's a very talented player, but the coach has got to be the boss.

Maybe if he takes the P out like Diddy did then he'll again have success

[SaintLouBrave22]

Does anyone recall a couple years ago when some of Molinari's players didn't want to play Jim Les' system, and certain fans ripped JL mercilessly, criticizing him for not having control of his players, and laid 100% of the blame on Les, even after quotes came out proving some of the players "were not on the same page".
Recall - last seaons there were also numerous comments about the team's issues and lack of leadership.
Isn't this situation about the same, except these are all Dana's own players!

I don't know about Mo's players, but you may be talking about Danny "I play for myself and the scouts" Granger

[BUBraves2006]

Dana's the best coach in the Valley.

Proven tonight ...

He sent his message to Stinnett and then didn't start him again tonight (though he did play).

Stinnett's response: 6-10 FG and 5-7 3PT for 18 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal and no turnovers in only 19 minutes of action.

Whose team is it? Dana's.

[SaintLouBrave22]

Dana's the best coach in the Valley.

Proven tonight ...

He sent his message to Stinnett and then didn't start him again tonight (though he did play).

Stinnett's response: 6-10 FG and 5-7 3PT for 18 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal and no turnovers in only 19 minutes of action.

Whose team is it? Dana's.

I don't agree...

Thats all BS and smoke and mirrors anyways...


If it were really and truly Dana's team, he wouldn't have played at all...


The guy didn't even act like he did anything wrong to merit a benching...


I don't buy that by any means...

[amckillip]

I gotta agree with BUBraves.

P'Allen is gonna be a headcase for a little while, at least until he matures. Dana did a good job handling him and putting him in his place. IMO Dana is far and above the best coach in the Valley. There's a big gap between him and anyone else...

[tornado]

matures?
This is "P'Allen" ever since high school....and the Iowa State people knew this...

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/cf-archive-bin/8191-pallen-stinnett-update.html

[BUBraves2006]

Whether or not he actually matures doesn't really matter. What does is matter is the fact that Altman sent a message and at least so far, it looked like it worked.

This is just another example where another player/team is getting put into a negative light because they aren't Bradley. If Chris Roberts were acting up and Jim Les sat him for a game, the masses would be showering him with praise on how it was great how he "made a stand."

And if anyone thinks Altman isn't the best coach in the Valley, please provide some evidence on who is better. (Not a slight on Bradley, Altman's just proven it for almost 15 years.)

[tornado]

How many NCAA Tournament wins does Dana have in the time span that Jim Les has been at BU?

[BUBraves2006]

Fine, I'll take the bait ...

If your base your assessment completely on postseason victories, then Les is up 2-0.

If you base it upon team winning percentage Altman is ahead 140-59 (.704 percent) to 109-92 (.542 percent) for Les.

If you base it upon MVC tournament championships, Altman has won three, Les zero.

If you base it upon average regular season finish, Altman has averaged 2.83 place (2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 2nd, 4th) - no lower than 4th. Les has averaged 6th (6th, 6th, 8th, 6th, 4th, 6th), no higher than 4th.

Head to head, Altman is 11-2 against Les. Even in years where both teams were good, Altman is still 5-2 against Les.

Do I need to explain any more? I like Jim Les a lot and as usual, a compliment of another coach/team comes out as a perceived rip on Bradley. But actually, I was just stating the fact that Altman is the dean of MVC coaches and everyone should be shooting to be as successful as his teams have been.

[SFP]

How many NCAA Tournament wins does Dana have in the time span that Jim Les has been at BU?

Not a knock on JL but Dana has been the mark of consistency. JL still has time to show his ability to coach and recruit but right now Dana would have to stand above him until we consistently are one of the top 2 teams in the Valley.

[amckillip]

Fine, I'll take the bait ...

If your base your assessment completely on postseason victories, then Les is up 2-0.

If you base it upon team winning percentage Altman is ahead 140-59 (.704 percent) to 109-92 (.542 percent) for Les.

If you base it upon MVC tournament championships, Altman has won three, Les zero.

If you base it upon average regular season finish, Altman has averaged 2.83 place (2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 2nd, 4th) - no lower than 4th. Les has averaged 6th (6th, 6th, 8th, 6th, 4th, 6th), no higher than 4th.

Head to head, Altman is 11-2 against Les. Even in years where both teams were good, Altman is still 5-2 against Les.

Do I need to explain any more? I like Jim Les a lot and as usual, a compliment of another coach/team comes out as a perceived rip on Bradley. But actually, I was just stating the fact that Altman is the dean of MVC coaches and everyone should be shooting to be as successful as his teams have been.

Hmmm... I've got nothing... There's really nothing else here to comment now...

[tornado]

Dana had only two 20-win seasons in his first six at Creighton, JL has 3

Dana was 99-78 in his first 6 years at CU, JL is 105-90 -- not too different...

I see a lot of similarities...
If Dana Altman was held to the same standards in his first 6 years at Creighton as JL has been held to by some at BU,
he'd have been canned when after six season he had only produced ONE that didn't have double digit losses.
In fact, in his first 11 seasons as head coach, he only had ONE that didn't have double digit losses and that one had 9.
So in his first 11 seasons as head coach, Dana had 145 losses, avg. 13.3 losses/yr.
I know a whole lot of people who claim to be Bradley fans who wouldn't tolerate that here.