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  • Cole-Scott/Austin...or Norris/Brown?

    I know it's only 5 games into a long season, and 5 games into two careers, but I think this is something worth noting and worth discussing. What would this season, and our future look like having JUCO seniors Tyrone Cole-Scott and Rashad Austin versus having freshmen Darian Norris and Taylor Brown?

    Tyrone Cole-Scott was JUCO combo guard, slated to be a significant contributor last season, replacing the invaluable Will Franklin. Rashad Austin came here with a lot of hype from his JUCO in Colorado, was supposed to help re-establish our presence inside. Cole-Scott showed amazing athleticism, but even more amazing was his inability to finish around the basket, and how awful his shot was. Rashad Austin showed up late, took forever to get into shape, had a bad attitude when he didn't play, and didn't do much when he did play. Both left BU for various reasons after last season, leaving us with two open scholarships.

    Were these significant losses? At the time most people weren't sure. We had just lost two JUCO players who had been nothing short of busts in their one year on the Hilltop. However, we were also losing two experienced players well after most recruiting for the following season had taken place. Had both stayed and worked hard, they likely would have been in the rotation, but having seen them for an entire season, I am not sure how they'd have fit or if they'd been content being role players.

    Our very late replacements ended up being 6'0" combo guard out of Las Vegas, who signed in April, and a 6'7" swing forward who didn't committ until August and didn't arrive on campus until school started. Did BU end up ahead in this whole charade?

    Well, this could be perhaps the easiet question asked on here in years, and one I think we all can agree on. BU is light years ahead as a program with Darian Norris and Taylor Brown than they would have been with Tyrone Cole-Scott and Rashad Austin. First and foremost, both freshmen are simply much better basketball players than the people they replaced. I joked with some friends of mine that 'Site unseen, I guarantee that Darian Norris is better than Tyrone Cole-Scott'. Darian - Thanks for not making a liar out of me. The kid has a great jump shot, plays with maturity, and knows his role. Taylor Brown has already shown more promise than Rashad Austin ever did on both ends of the floor. He's long, he's skilled, and he's got passion. I can't say I ever saw any kind of passion out of Rashad Austin.

    But the real reason that Norris and Brown put BU in such a better position program-wise is because they are 4 year guys. Even if Cole-Scott and Austin had worked out and been contributors, they are still only giving us 2 years of service and then it's back to the drawing board. Not only are Norris and Brown already better than the guys they replaced, they also will contribute to the program for 3 more years! To me, that's part of what made 3 games in Florida so gratifying. We literally saw our young Braves growing up right before our eyes. Maniscalco, Egolf, Norris, and Brown all have, at a minimum, nearly 3 years left to help this program. Anthony Thompson and Eddren McCain still have nearly 4 years left. We're bringing in two more 4 year players next fall. It's been a while since we had this many core players this young. Personally, it makes me more patient with them and the team, knowing that these kids are here for the long haul and will grow and get better. They're already growing and making leaps and bounds...imagine what they'll be doing in 2-3 years!

    But I digress - What I think the comparison truly illustrates is the value of recruiting 4 year guys versus 2 year guys. Instead of having only a few kids around for the long haul, BU now has a great nucleus of freshmen and sophomores that can grow together and be successful. Yes, we've done pretty good with JUCO's, but I think it's obvious that the 4 year guy is the way to go. It's been proven time and again that it's the way to build sustained success, and I'm very excited with what the future may hold with this group of 4 year kids we're bringing in.
    Onward and Upward!

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    As you said, one of the easier questions to answer. I wanted to root for TCS and Austin, and did do so... But four year kids have so much more time to develop when compared to the JUCO kids, and take only a little longer to get their feet on the ground (or so it seems in most cases). Also, I'm loving the game of both Norris and Brown. I understand the need for JUCO kids, and some of them (like Theron Wilson) work out great, and I expect we'll always need or even want a portion of our roster to be JUCOs... But a roster built on 4-year players seems much more sustainable.
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    • #3
      I think the greatest difference right now with these players is their hustle and desire to play. It seems like the freshmen are out there with something to prove.
      This is just the tip of the iceberg...

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      • #4
        Cole-Scott is an enigma that I believe nobody will ever solve.
        He was a great scorer in juco and is leading his team in scoring now at the DII level.
        Somehow, the bright lights and crowds of 5-10,000 had a detrimental effect on him....something nobody could have ever known.
        His only truly good performance was in front a several hundred at the Fieldhouse, but that proved he DID have the talent.
        But like Mark Spitz trying to convert his swimming abilities into acting abilities, TCS was never able to convert his talent on the small screen into talent on the big screen.

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        • #5
          It also makes a difference if you recruit impact juco guys, instead of late-signed roster fillers like TCS and RA unfortunately were. I am not saying they couldn't have helped us, but they were not the coaches top recruiting targets, and were signed late.

          The 4-year guys look good and should really help the BU program. But they are also late signees, and were not the coaches top targets, so who knows what will happen. Las Vegas and Atlanta are a long way from Peoria, and a lot warmer. Maybe these guys might get homesick, too? I hope not. But it's too early to judge 2 guys who are gone against 2 guys who just started their careers here.

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          • #6
            It was obvious at the mid point of the MVC play and even more so at the end of the regular season last year that neither RA or TCS were going to be significant contributors to this years team. It was truly a gift when the departed. As was it even more a gift when we got Norris and Brown to replace them. Thats based on what we have seen from them so fare this year and that they are 4 year players. I agree with all you have said BB.

            Remember This:

            BU in Great Recruiting Position
            Jim Les has BU on track for great things this yr. and for the future. He has BU in the best recruiting position in many yrs. With this week's verbal of MK and after next yr.with 4 more scholarships to fill, things are in place for rotating players in the yrs. to come and stay competitive every yr.. Four (4) year players should be the priority
            There is no team in the the MVC that can match up to us the whole game, if our bigs come to play! BU will win the the MVC this year!

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            • #7
              There is no comparison between having Norris and Brown and the 2 guys who left, I am totally for recruiting 4 year players but sometimes you need to get jr. college players when you have a chance to that are as good as Dunson and Roberts , we signed 3 freshman for the 2008-09 class and are on our way to hopefully sign 3 more for 2009-10 class, this should help in keeping our program more consistent and not having to replace more then 3 or 4 players a season , it also gives the players more time to learn a system . Lets get Wilkens in here 2nd semester and it should give us one of the best freshman classes in a long time.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                It also makes a difference if you recruit impact juco guys, instead of late-signed roster fillers like TCS and RA unfortunately were. I am not saying they couldn't have helped us, but they were not the coaches top recruiting targets, and were signed late.

                The 4-year guys look good and should really help the BU program. But they are also late signees, and were not the coaches top targets, so who knows what will happen. Las Vegas and Atlanta are a long way from Peoria, and a lot warmer. Maybe these guys might get homesick, too? I hope not. But it's too early to judge 2 guys who are gone against 2 guys who just started their careers here.
                Agree on both points. TCS and RA were only here because Dwight Buycks didn't feel like going to class, and Jeremy Fears got booted from BU. They certainly weren't 'the plan', as has been discussed time and again.

                Obviously it's premature to deem Norris and Brown 'saviors' of the program, but I guess one point that I didn't communicate very well is that their ceiling is much, much higher than TCS or RA's ever were. They are both much more talented and refined than their departed predecessors were.

                While they are both from a long ways away, but it seems like generally the 4 year kids tend to be a bit more 'stable' (for lack of a better word) than the JUCOs. Again, it's a generalization, but JUCO's just tend to have more baggage. Both Norris and Brown come from strong families and have strong academic backgrounds. They may get homesick, but getting playing time and having success usually tend to quell those homesick feelings. From all accounts, both kids seem to love BU and Peoria.
                Onward and Upward!

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                • #9
                  Nice post. I'll take Norris and Brown. I didn't even have to think about it more than a couple of seconds.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by georgethedog View Post
                    Nice post. I'll take Norris and Brown. I didn't even have to think about it more than a couple of seconds.
                    Same here. And let me say that I think Taylor Brown is/going to be a GREAT player for BU. He has SOOO much potential.
                    Thinking is the hardest work, that is why so few people do it. -Henry Ford

                    Yeah...I've been in college for a while now and I'm pretty sure that awesomest is not a word. -Andrew E.

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                    • #11
                      I also don't like hyphenated names... Cole-Scott should have gone to a school with a hyphen like UI-UC... -

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by georgethedog View Post
                        I also don't like hyphenated names... Cole-Scott should have gone to a school with a hyphen like UI-UC... -
                        Maybe we should hyphenate BU, then no one would e confused as to which state we are in

                        "BU-Peo-IL"
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rusty 54 View Post
                          Maybe we should hyphenate BU, then no one would e confused as to which state we are in

                          "BU-Peo-IL"
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