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Old 10-18-2017, 06:29 AM
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Missouri State fans expect to win it this year
http://www.news-leader.com/story/spo...lld/747642001/


another preview- pretty thorough
they say this about Bradley (picked 7th)
"...contending for a title isn't an unrealistic ceiling."
https://sportsaction.io/blog/college...ssouri-valley/
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:15 AM
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another preview- pretty thorough
they say this about Bradley (picked 7th)
"...contending for a title isn't an unrealistic ceiling."
https://sportsaction.io/blog/college...ssouri-valley/

The writer seems to have done better homework than most who have previewed the MVC. But he says a couple things that puzzled me:

He spends most of his time listing the best qualities of each team, and he has little to say that is negative, except UNI. Despite spending more space discussing UNI than anyone else, it is nearly all negative.
The section on UNI criticizes all their deficiencies, such as these direct quotes:
"Someone, ANYONE has to become a consistent jump shooter"
"woeful rebounding team"
"the Valley's lowest offensive efficiency"
"the conference's lowest points per possession"
"UNI bottomed out with 0.93 ppp in MVC play, which was by far the lowest mark in the league"
"by far the worst offensive team"
"Last year was an unmitigated disaster"
"The Panthers finished below 1.00 points per possession for the first time in his career"
"the Panthers shot just 30 percent from 3 in league play"
"woeful offense"
"Jacobson's one reliable shooter graduated"
"he needs some shooters in the worst way this year"
"Bennett Koch has to reduce his foul rate and learn how to sense the double team"
"Klint Carlson has to step up"
"his offensive game was lacking"
"McCloud...has absolutely no jump shot"


Yet after that litany of criticisms and deficiencies, he picks UNI to finish 2nd, and even says, "There's a good chance UNI could end up being the best team in the Valley"!


Then in the section for Illinois State he says this about one of Muller's freshmen-
6-foot-4 freshman Elijah Clarance will be a factor on and off the ball as soon as he's back from having his knee scoped.

That is the first I've seen about Clarance "having his knee scoped".
He was reported to have a stress fracture in his foot 3 weeks ago, but there has not been any report of a knee problem-
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/col...eddbc0f44.html
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Old 10-18-2017, 11:12 AM
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but ya gotta admit these gambling sites do seem to know a lot more than anyone else since their money's riding on it..

Here's another preview - very well done -- this one picks Bradley 4th!!
http://three-man-weave.com/3mw/2017/...review-2017-18
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Old 10-18-2017, 12:51 PM
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but ya gotta admit these gambling sites do seem to know a lot more than anyone else since their money's riding on it..

Here's another preview - very well done -- this one picks Bradley 4th!!
http://three-man-weave.com/3mw/2017/...review-2017-18
Again, that one is pretty well done, so I don't want to get too picky. And it is nice to see someone projecting Bradley to actually improve in the standings as opposed to all the other previews showing them dropping down, despite returning virtually everyone. But there are a number of mistakes in that preview.
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Old 10-18-2017, 03:14 PM
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Here is an article with some embarrassing news for SIU-

First, SIU was the worst 3-point shooting team in the MVC last year with a 31.6% percentage on threes as a team. But in yesterday's SIU basketball media day, Barry Hinson bragged that this team would be much better, and that they had made 48% of their threes in their first 11 practices this fall!
http://thesouthern.com/sports/colleg...9c9dca422.html

"We will shoot the 3-point ball a lot better than we have in the past. We will probably take more 3s than we have in the past," Hinson said. "I think for the first time in a long time, we don't have just shooters, we have makers. I think there's a big difference."

One of the new players that was expected to be a good three point shooter, and help improve the team stats was Eric McGill, a juco transfer from Panola CC.
But here is what is a bit embarrassing- at the SIU Homecoming Hoops 3-point shooting contest this past Saturday, McGill was selected to represent the team to compete in a 3-point shooting contest against a random fan in the stands. But he only made 1 out of 15 three pointers (6.7%) and lost to the fan 3-1!
http://thesouthern.com/sports/colleg...cf5f69b0e.html
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Old 10-18-2017, 05:02 PM
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about as embarrassing as the local media expert claiming your team is light years better and deeper at every position than we've been since the Mitchell Anderson/Donald Reese era...then losing to DIII Augustana and getting fired at the end of the season along with your entire Athletic Department and even the University President...
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more depth concerns for ISU...
now it is being reported that redshirt sophomore transfer from UTEP, Christian Romine is no longer with the team and Dan Muller says he
"is taking time off basketball for personal reasons with our complete support."

Zach Copeland is ineligible
Keyshawn Evans is coming off shoulder surgery
Elijah Clarance is in a walking boot due to foot fracture
Matt Chastain must sit out due to transfer from Loyola
Milik Yarbrough has had a whole lot of legal problems but I would be shocked if he gets any kind of discipline
plus one of their scholarships is sitting open due to Andre Washington leaving and Copeland ineligible for scholarship
and it would have been two scholarships sitting open had they not given one to walk-on Isaac Gassman
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Old 10-18-2017, 07:39 PM
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From Jim Benson, ISU beat writer for the Bloomington Pantagraph-
https://twitter.com/Pg_Benson/status/920796094996529152

@Redbird_MBB coach @DanMuller said Christian Romine has not been with the team or involved in team activities for over a month.


Christian Romine is a 6'9" transfer from UTEP who sat out last season, and has been called a "key newcomer" by most of the MVC previews we've seen so far. He was expected to provide a lot of minutes as a backup in the post, though he was not expected to be a significant scorer. He is originally from Mahomet-Seymour High School.

Is it a bit odd that "Christian Romine has not been with the team or involved in team activities for over a month", and nobody knew until a few minutes ago today? There have already been several men's basketball fan events as well as a video on their website of the first basketball practice 2 weeks ago, and apparently nobody noticed the absence of Romine!

This is really hurting their team depth. With this news, to go along with Isaiah Clarance out with a foot fracture, Keyshawn Evans recovering from shoulder surgery, Zach Copeland not qualifying, and all the players who left early, they may only have 9 healthy players in the early part of the season. There is only 1 returning player (Phil Fayne) who played any significant minutes for them last year or scored more than 1.8 ppg. It looks like they won't be able to afford to redshirt Taylor Bruninga.
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Old 10-30-2017, 10:36 AM
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College Court Report mentions Koch Bar as one of the underrated players in DI

https://twitter.com/CC_Report/status/924691182877159424
https://twitter.com/CC_Report/status/924650176337256449
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Old 10-31-2017, 11:37 PM
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A couple more injuries for Illinois State-
7-footer David Ndiaye, who was projected to be the starting center for ISU is out for 6 weeks with a stress fracture in his right foot.

Also, backup point guard Matt Hein will miss 2 to 4 weeks with a bone bruise in his knee that he sustained in ISU's closed scrimmage against Saint Louis on Saturday.
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/col...85901d08c.html

That leaves ISU with a very thin roster going into the season. They already lost high-scoring juco guard due to academic insufficiencies, freshman point guard Elijah Clarance due to a stress fracture, and junior big man transfer Christian Romine who left the team to deal with a personal issue. That leaves them with just 8 scholarship players, and only 2 players taller than 6'6" (Phil Fayne & Taylor Bruninga). It means that Bruninga, who might have been a candidate for a redshirt year, will probably now see a significant amount of playing time as a freshman.
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ISU has added former Olympia 6'5" foreward Luke Litwiller as a walk-on.
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Old 11-01-2017, 11:07 AM
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A couple more injuries for Illinois State-
7-footer David Ndiaye, who was projected to be the starting center for ISU is out for 6 weeks with a stress fracture in his right foot.

Also, backup point guard Matt Hein will miss 2 to 4 weeks with a bone bruise in his knee that he sustained in ISU's closed scrimmage against Saint Louis on Saturday.
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/col...85901d08c.html

That leaves ISU with a very thin roster going into the season. They already lost high-scoring juco guard due to academic insufficiencies, freshman point guard Elijah Clarance due to a stress fracture, and junior big man transfer Christian Romine who left the team to deal with a personal issue. That leaves them with just 8 scholarship players, and only 2 players taller than 6'6" (Phil Fayne & Taylor Bruninga). It means that Bruninga, who might have been a candidate for a redshirt year, will probably now see a significant amount of playing time as a freshman.
Does anyone know why ISU is having such turnover? Every team has injuries, but so many other ISU players are not with the team any more. What is going on? Is the selection of players based upon athletic ability only?
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a lot of coaches stay away from recruiting on talent only and look for other characteristics that will guarantee kids stay out of trouble and stay in school...

Dan Muller has a track record of going for talent but shady character...and borderline academics...
I know the ISU fans will rile at this but it is undeniable...and even many of their own fans say so on their own message board.
How many players at ISU have horrible backgrounds- heck one was recruited and landed while he was still serving probation for his recent felony in Florida...
Then you have the multitude that were landed but their academics didn't qualify - most of those left ISU before their eligibility expired and a few committed multiple other legal offenses - as do a whole lot of the ISU guys, including numerous felonies, DUI's and drug arrests but as long as they can get eligible then Dan lets 'em play and never suspends them unless the media calls him on it - and even then he only suspends them when there's no team functions, practices nor games occurring anyway.

it's a little mini-example of what Jerry Tarkanian built at LBSU and UNLV - but he did get the talent!
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Here are my thoughts, and maybe I could be wrong, and maybe some of it is just a string of bad luck....
But I am sure it does have something to do with the type of recruit Dan Muller has recruited in the past few years. Among the players who left early, guys like Deontae Hawkins, D.J. Clayton, Zach Lofton, Nick Banyard, Will Ransom, and others had character and legal issues, and along with McKyle McIntosh, struck me as guys who were not really "team players". I could give specifics, but I'll leave it at that. Those types easily fall out of favor of their coach, or feel like they aren't being treated fairly by their coach and are more likely to leave.
It seems Muller's more recent recruits may be different, but time will tell.
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I suspected about the same as your thoughts. I am glad Coach Wardle brings in good kids who earn credits, graduate and become better people. You can win doing that and you can build a dynasty doing that. Any other way is short lived as soon as the character faults come forward.
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I suspected about the same as your thoughts. I am glad Coach Wardle brings in good kids who earn credits, graduate and become better people. You can win doing that and you can build a dynasty doing that. Any other way is short lived as soon as the character faults come forward.

Yes, I agree. I have heard him mention numerous times that they focus on character when they recruit.

In the couple years before Coach Wardle got to Bradley, we sall saw several character issues and arrests among the Geno Ford players. I think that even played a part in his firing, and certainly in the house-cleaning that Coach Wardle did after he got here.
But since early 2015, I cannot find a single mention, or listing in the Peoria County arrest database of an arrest or legal issue by any of Coach Wardle's players. That is quite impressive, and deserves accolades. I am not saying something couldn't arise in the future, but I believe Bradley is in good hands with Coach Wardle and his players.

By comparison, in just a few minutes searching the McLean County criminal database, here is what I have found-
There have been 58 separate entries in the McLean County criminal database by Illinois State basketball players just since the beginning of 2015 (approximately when Coach Wardle took over at Bradley)!
A lot of those were from players who have since left ISU (Deontae Hawkins had 10, Tony Wills had 11, and Quintin Brewer had 11 despite only playing 1 season there). But still quite a few are from current players, including Milik Yarbrough who has not even played a single game for ISU yet, but already has racked up 8 different entries in the McLean County criminal database, including theft and alcohol violations!

And as noted, the 58 entries by ISU players are just from the beginning of 2015. Prior to that there were many more, including much more serious violations and multiple felony arrests that included multiple DUI's and players who were ultimately dismissed after being charged with violations such possession and delivery of illegal drugs, and criminal sexual abuse of a minor.
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But since early 2015, I cannot find a single mention, or listing in the Peoria County arrest database of an arrest or legal issue by any of Coach Wardle's players.

There have been 58 separate entries in the McLean County criminal database by Illinois State basketball players just since the beginning of 2015 (approximately when Coach Wardle took over at Bradley)! ....
the PJStar has the daily arrest logsheet every morning- and so I can say with certainty there hasn't been a single Bradley player mentioned since Wardle has been here - plus the database is even searchable for the most minor of offenses like cell phone use or no seatbelt - and still none of our guys.

But like you say dozens of entries for the ISU guys plus...more than 15 of them have serious arrests and even convictions on charges that some are felonies - that they have skipped out of court dates, have no-show warrants out for them or have stiffed the system by leaving town and not keeping their court appointed supervision dates or paying their fines or costs.
One of their top players was just in court yesterday for exactly that.

One of them with felonies who left ISU and skipped out of his court dates has since gone on to get his name in the arrest database elsewhere
http://www.bustedmugshots.com/georgi...ewer/199280871


Hey, I am sure there's a chance someday we could have issues - but once we were called renegade for a mere underage consumption citation....
what do you call this -- it's renegade on steroids blown up 100 fold!
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And most of those players with the serious legal issues never missed a single regular season game of significance. That speaks for the discipline at ISU in addition to the type of players. But hey, they have won more games than Bradley, so we know what is important to Jank & Muller.
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Movin' on up...

yet another preseason PREVIEW of the Valley has Bradley at 5th
http://thecatchandshoot.com/2017-18-...veteran-teams/

and another one that has Bradley 7th
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2017...-alize-johnson
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another MVC preview - not a very good one..
https://www.vsin.com/missouri-valley...issouri-state/

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