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Old 02-14-2018, 04:53 PM
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so wily, you are saying that sometimes they call a specific act a technical when something needs to be prevented, and other times they do not?
No I'm not saying that at all and especially
in the case we're dissecting. There was no way to prevent that. An example of preventive officiating would be to stop immediately any talk that goes on between players that could lead to future problems. I'm sure where you sit you've seen officials take two players aside and have a little chat with them. That's exactly what they're doing. I also used an example of the young man I told that I was keeping one eye on him and the other eye on the other nine in another post. Never had another problem with that kid or either team the rest of the game. This was the second meeting between these same two teams and they had a big time brawl the first time they met . Technicals are not to be handed out to prevent something that hasn't happened but when a part of the rule book that calls for a technical has been violated then they should be administered in accordance with the rule book. Lets get a win tonight and hope Pollard is not on the game.
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Old 02-14-2018, 06:28 PM
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but from what I am hearing, the refs were requested to start calling "T"'s on situations that they had previously been NOT calling them...
so the refs turned UP their T-meter and started calling more.....

They wanted to be considered for the lucrative post-season jobs in the NCAA Tourney - they knew they'd better start calling MORE T's....because the refs DO get graded and evaluated.
They knew they had to start calling T's that they did not believe were T's but they had to alter their behavior and call them in order to get favorable reviews by NCAA.

This is what I am hearing.
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:10 AM
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but from what I am hearing, the refs were requested to start calling "T"'s on situations that they had previously been NOT calling them...
so the refs turned UP their T-meter and started calling more.....

They wanted to be considered for the lucrative post-season jobs in the NCAA Tourney - they knew they'd better start calling MORE T's....because the refs DO get graded and evaluated.
They knew they had to start calling T's that they did not believe were T's but they had to alter their behavior and call them in order to get favorable reviews by NCAA.

This is what I am hearing.
I think the correct terminology in what your trying to say is "point of emphasis". Almost every year when the rule book comes out the rules committee will stress an area that has become troublesome and it becomes a Point of emphasis. I'm not saying your wrong because you may be right. All I'm saying in my 40 years I've never seen a point of emphasis telling officials to call more T's. Possibly could have happened but usually it's things like clean up the hand checking, or clean up rough post play, keep coaches in the coaches box and penalize taunting. You are correct officials are evaluated after every game and how they handle games do determine if their season continues with post season play. I have a hard time believing the criteria for getting post season assignments is by the number of T's one would call. Good officials use that penalty when it is necessary not go out of there way to call them. IMO any official that would go out of his or her way to assess a T where it's not merited to get a post season assignment is just as liable as any official who does not take care of business when he or she should. Neither situation should be working in the post season.

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Old 02-15-2018, 04:12 PM
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"officials are evaluated after every game..."

That's interesting. How does the evaluation process work? Who does the evaluations? Who determines which officials work the MVC games? Do the schools get to participate in the selection of which officials work their games?
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Old 02-15-2018, 04:35 PM
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coaches and other officials & possibly independent evaluators who look over the stats or the tapes
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Old 02-15-2018, 07:41 PM
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The coaches and schools have nothing to do with choosing officials for MVC conference games.
The MVC coordinator of officiating (Eddie Jackson) used to do the evaluating and booking of officials independently, and Jim Bain was the previous coordinator before he retired.
But since the beginning of the 2016-17 seasson, the MVC joined with 4 other conferences (Conference USA, Big 12, Ohio Valley, & Southland conferences) to form a consortium that does the booking and evaluating of officials for all 5 conferences. They do consider input from coaches when doing their evaluations, but they make the final decisions based on many factors (see bottom link).

Men's Basketball Officiating Consortium-
https://mbb.officiating.com/

The consortium is headed by Curtis Shaw, the Big 12 coordinator of officiating for men's basketball, but MVC Coordinator of Officiating Eddie Jacson is involved with the group.
http://www.mvc-sports.com/news/2016/...x?path=mbballl

This memo released by the MVC has more explanation of the process-
http://www.mvc.org/MVCOfficiatingStatement.pdf
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Old 02-16-2018, 12:18 AM
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I don't think anyone ever said coaches choose the refs- where did you get that?

But the referees are rated and the ratings come from various sources
https://deadspin.com/the-art-of-scre...ir-m-471284937
http://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2015/0...nt-competition
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:58 PM
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NCAA referee Randy McCall used to do a lot of Valley games but now just does games on the west coast/Pac-12

ejected a cheerleader last night for saying something while an opponent was shooting free throws.
The ref was within his rights as the cheerleaders are not supposed to use their megaphones during FTs...but seriously.....the players are big boys and Bradley players and fans have been subjected to way, way worse on the road in the MVC
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