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Auburn, coached by proven NCAA cheat Bruce Pearl, is the first school involved to take any action. They just announced per press release that they are suspending assistant coach Chuck Person without pay indefinitely. Looks like The Rifleman will be their fall guy.


And the name of the cooperating informant/financial adviser has emerged-
https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/s...50237713932289
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And the name of the cooperating informant/financial adviser has emerged-
https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/s...50237713932289
pieces of this puzzle coming together...

that informant, Marty Blazer, was one of the crooked agents caught up in the UNC scandal providing improper benefits - LINK - LINK
...who then was discovered to be even deeper in scandal and fraud - LINK
Maybe traded his testimony for immunity?


-another play name has been revealed...
5-Star Jahvon Quinerly who is committed to Arizona (University-4) is the player referred to as "Player-5" in court documents and is said to have been paid $150,000!
University-7 is Miami so Player-10 is thought to be recruit Nassir Little or current freshman Lonnie Walker who would have also gotten $150,000
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Auburn, coached by proven NCAA cheat Bruce Pearl, is the first school involved to take any action. They just announced per press release that they are suspending assistant coach Chuck Person without pay indefinitely. Looks like The Rifleman will be their fall guy.


And the name of the cooperating informant/financial adviser has emerged-
https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/s...50237713932289
More damage control, as some of the big boys of the NCAA get caught with their pants down.

USC "was surprised to learn of the FBI investigation and arrest of USC assistant basketball coach Tony Bland".
They have placed Tony Bland on "administrative leave"-
https://twitter.com/USC_Athletics/st...49915867983873

And to try to protect themselves from possible NCAA sanctions, they have hired a legal team to conduct an investigation, and they pledge their full cooperation with the NCAA and the FBI.
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Old 09-26-2017, 02:51 PM
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This is what the NCAA has been turning a blind eye to for years. They gave slaps on the wrist for hints this was going on and did nothing else. The only way to stop this crap is put these coaches in jail and the death penalty to the schools. It goes against the whole concept of what student/athletes and Colleges stand for. If they are to regain any kind of respect from this corruption they need to come down hard
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Arizona doing damage control, too- they just suspended assistant coach Emanuel Richardson and he was "relieved of all duties."-
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/sta...66145576370176



Still waiting on Oklahoma State to make a move regarding their arrested assistant coach Lamont Evans, who appears to be accused of taking $22,000 in bribes, as compared with $20,000 in bribes by Emanuel Richardson, at least $13,000 in bribes by Tony Bland, and over $91,000 in bribes by Chuck Person, as well as charges involving hundreds of thousands of dollars more funnelled to recruits and players.
OK State officials have been strangely silent since this news broke.
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Old 09-26-2017, 03:39 PM
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...doing damage control....
damage control and scapegoating will be top priorities....

Here's the line you will hear the most...
"we knew nothing whatsoever about this - it is just the action of one rogue employee who we have already distanced ourselves from..
otherwise there will be no further comment (or this will be handled internally) until the review is concluded."


That is essentially the line that Pitino used the last time around with the hooker scandal
But I wonder if those assistants wanna go to jail for something they were told to do....this will get more interesting..



Who will be the first school to step forward voluntarily and admit they also dealt with these slimy agents & shoe execs - in order to hopefully avoid jail time?



And on just the prospect that these five schools are gonna get nailed- which recruits will reopen their recruitment?
Arizona: five-star point guard Jahvon Quinerly, five-star power forward Shareef O’Neal, four-star point guard Brandon Williams
USC: four-star prospects Taeshon Cherry from San Diego, and Kevin Porter and J’Raan Brook from Seattle
Auburn: five-star prospect E.J. Montgomery
Oklahoma State: four-star shooting guard Antwann Jones
Louisville: five-star wing Brian Bowen, four-star pg Courtney Ramey and four-star pg Anfernee Simons, they also have 2019 4-star pg David Johnson


Of the 20-25 separate coaches, agents, execs, and recruits thus far indicted, implicated or named, only three are not minorities (Gatto, Pitino, Augustine)-
how long before someone plays the race card?
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The FBI is taking this case seriously! They just announced an anonymous tip line seeking tips on further corruption in college basketball-
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/sta...93154994294787

Wonder why the NCAA never thought of this, or bothered to check out the tips they did receive in all these years?
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Breaking- the FBI just served a warrant and searched the offices of one of tbasketball's biggest agents-
and confiscated records and his computer
https://twitter.com/DarrenHeitner/st...99900483637248
http://www.asmsports.com/about-asm-s...es/andy-miller

Andy Miller is the agent for dozens on NBA players including Fred Van Vleet (not to be confused with the Andy Miller who is co-owner of the Sacramento Kings)
https://basketball.realgm.com/info/a...Andy-Miller/14



... people have been warning for years that shoe company money was corrupting the recruiting process but NCAA looked the other way and did nothing since the results paid off by getting the best players to the top schools to increase TV revenue...
Now it is coming back to haunt them - they should have done something about it 20 years ago...


two more UNNAMED assistants - one at Louisville and one at Miami - are also referenced as being involved in the bribery in the documents but not named
Louisville assistants are: Kenny Johnson, David Padgett, Jordan Fair
Miami assistants are: Chris Caputo, Jamal Brunt, Adam Fisher
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...the line you will hear the most...
"we knew nothing whatsoever about this - it is just the action of one rogue employee who we have already distanced ourselves from..
otherwise there will be no further comment (or this will be handled internally) until the review is concluded."
....
bingo





The US Attorney don't expect to come across evidence of head coach involvement...
From the documents released....

"The path to securing commitments from college athletes was through assistant coaches
because head coaches aren’t willing to take bribes, Dawkins said, according to the complaint.
“They’re making too much money. And it’s too risky,” the complaint quoted Dawkins as saying.""
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Satirical Rick Pitino quote:
"I didn't know anything about this, just like I never knew anything about the tens of thousands of dollars I authorized to be spent on prostitutes for our players and recruits. We have always run a clean program and I fully support law enforcement going after these sleazy, real bad 3rd party people who committed this fraud on poor little us, because we are totally innocent despite the evidence that our recruit was paid a $100,000 bribe to attend Louisville"



One reason the bribe-bidding war for recruit Brian Bowen reached $100,000 was because a "rival athletic company" was also bidding to get Bowen to a school they sponsored. It is of interest that Bowen did make official visits to Michigan State and Texas, which are both Nike schools.
https://twitter.com/JasonRileyWDRB/s...07899726073856

So this revelation might mean that this investigation could drag Nike and others into it as well.



And one other update- Late this afternoon, Oklahoma State announced that they have now suspended assistant coach Lamont Evans, the final coach included in today's fraud charges and arrests.
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"It is very telling that Pitino released his statement through his personal lawyer,
not the university. They are not working together on this"


I think Pitino's tenure at Louisville is nearing an end - they will hire Butler's coach and cut ties with Pitino and his entire staff,
then take a self imposed mini sanction - hoping the fed & NCAA don't penalize them too much

University of Louisville issues separate statement
https://www.cardchronicle.com/2017/9...-investigation


I am not happy to see this happening but if there's corruption and cheating at any level of amateur/college sports,
then I am GLAD that someone finally takes it seriously and pursues justice, even tho the NCAA is so sadly and pitifully lacking in that area.
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It certainly is interesting that the NCAA has yet to release or make any statement of any kind about this investigation and the charges.

How the NCAA involves itself will determine how Louisville responds. So far, it is only a legal case, and probably much more will eventually be revealed. But once the NCAA finally realizes they cannot remain on the sideline, they may need to come out with strong penalties just to make it look like they are not the worthless and corrupt organization everyone knows they are. For everyone involved, this will turn into a CYA exercise.

Since Louisville is on probation for serious violations, they could face the death penalty. They will do anything to avoid that, but if evidence emerges that implicates Pitino, U of L will cut their losses and send him packing.

Auburn is in a somewhat similar position. Bruce Pearl has a history with NCAA penalties and cheating. If evidence starts to point to him being involved, watch for Auburn to send him packing, too.
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You guys all wonder why the NCAA hasn't done this themselves?

You guys all wonder why it has taken years for this to happen?

You guys all wonder why in the past the NCAA only slapped wrists of major programs when they did something wrong?

Guys!!!

Listen to your own questions!

MAYBE the NCAA has been IN on the deals all this time!

Hmmmmmmmmm.......

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I do not believe the bribe money goes directly to the NCAA, but in a different way, I do believe "they are in on it". They have always known this stuff is happening, and they have looked the other way, refused to follow the obvious leads and tips they have received, made excuses for why they don't investigate, then do token sham investigations, and give slaps on the wrist to the big boys because they are what brings in all the money

For example, there was indisputable evidence of cheating at Kentucky under Eddie Sutton in the 1980's, including a bunch of hundred dollar bills that fell out of a package in an air freight office that Kentucky assistant coach Dwayne Casey had shipped to recruit Chris Mills. But the NCAA refused to investigate much of what was emerging regarding many of the other players on the team like Sam Bowie and Kenny Walker because they claimed they could not locate them to interview them. It is hard to under why they couldn't locate them, since they were playing in the NBA at the time the NCAA finally agreed to investigate years after the facts were known. Eventually, the NCAA levied some mild sanctions and a probation on Kentucky, but Eddie Sutton got off scot-free. They should have gotten the death penalty.
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Just the tip of the iceberg-
https://sports.yahoo.com/fbi-brings-...184524346.html
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I do not believe the bribe money goes directly to the NCAA, but in a different way, I do believe "they are in on it". They have always known this stuff is happening, and they have looked the other way, refused to follow the obvious leads and tips they have received, made excuses for why they don't investigate, then do token sham investigations, and give slaps on the wrist to the big boys because they are what brings in all the money

For example, there was indisputable evidence of cheating at Kentucky under Eddie Sutton in the 1980's, including a bunch of hundred dollar bills that fell out of a package in an air freight office that Kentucky assistant coach Dwayne Casey had shipped to recruit Chris Mills. But the NCAA refused to investigate much of what was emerging regarding many of the other players on the team like Sam Bowie and Kenny Walker because they claimed they could not locate them to interview them. It is hard to under why they couldn't locate them, since they were playing in the NBA at the time the NCAA finally agreed to investigate years after the facts were known. Eventually, the NCAA levied some mild sanctions and a probation on Kentucky, but Eddie Sutton got off scot-free. They should have gotten the death penalty.
Bribe money doesn't go directly to NCAA.... but tv money does. They play along. It strokes them well to let the dogs play. And maybe side rewards to look the other way. Or side rewards to help some teams or conferences getting bids. Or side rewards to help some teams or conferences get better seeds. Or side rewards to hope to squash mid-majors with matchups that hurt mid-majors.

The NCAA is part of it. Won't be able to point finger at them or link them to the garbage that goes on. But they are part of it.

And maybe this is the beginning of the end.

Maybe this will push for the "BCS Schools" breaking from the NCAA and becoming basically "semi-pro" teams for the pro leagues in all sports. And they can then have their OWN playoffs and tournaments of only their teams.

Maybe this forces separation.
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In just 12 hours the whole world - even people who don't follow college sports -
readily sees how corrupt college basketball is and how ineffective, how weak, and how WORTHLESS the NCAA as the parent organization is.

Surely there will be calls for the NCAA to simply disband since they aren't doing a danged thing to oversee and control college sports....
Just fold, disband, and allow the schools and conferences to regulate themselves ---

It would be a nightmare but can't see how it would be any worse than it is now...

Or better yet - just fold the NCAA and let NAIA swallow up the schools that are NOT cheating.... I cannot recall a single example of a major cheating scandal at an NAIA school -
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There are rumors that Louisville is so deep into this corruption that has been uncovered by the FBI, that the University leaders are meeting to decide what actions to take. It is rumored to be a strong possibility that Rick Pitino will be fired, maybe as soon as today, so Louisville can appear to be self-policing (where have they been the last few years?), and hope to avoid the institutional death penalty from the NCAA.

Btw, Rick Pitino is still owed another $37,704,125 (not including bonuses) on his current contract-
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/sta...31092768268288

There are a number of other schools holding similar high-level meetings to decide what to do.
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...- which recruits will reopen their recruitment?
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Auburn: five-star prospect E.J. Montgomery..
Auburn's Montgomery is the first to withdraw his commitment and reopen his recruitment
Maybe Illinois can grab one of these guys??
https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/stat...37890598383619


and if a coach is fired FOR CAUSE then it is he who is considered to have violated his agreement and he is not owed a cent...
Pitino will have to negotiate a buyout since I am sure Louisville won't want this dragged into courts any further than necessary...


University of Illinois doing some preemptive damage control since head coach Brad Underwood had employed one of the arrested coaches at Oklahoma State
They released this statement but there are reports that people at Illinois are nervous - per CBS in Chicago - LINK
This is NOT the first Brad Underwood assistant tied to serious scandal - remember Antigua...
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Bribe money doesn't go directly to NCAA.... but tv money does. They play along. It strokes them well to let the dogs play. And maybe side rewards to look the other way. Or side rewards to help some teams or conferences getting bids. Or side rewards to help some teams or conferences get better seeds. Or side rewards to hope to squash mid-majors with matchups that hurt mid-majors.

The NCAA is part of it. Won't be able to point finger at them or link them to the garbage that goes on. But they are part of it.

And maybe this is the beginning of the end.

Maybe this will push for the "BCS Schools" breaking from the NCAA and becoming basically "semi-pro" teams for the pro leagues in all sports. And they can then have their OWN playoffs and tournaments of only their teams.

Maybe this forces separation.
Or maybe this has the opposite effect of Power schools separating themselves. Maybe people will finally look at them and say " you don't represent college basketball. You cheat" Lets stay with keeping College sports amateur. I say give the Death Penalty to some of those schools involved especially Louisville. This is what the NCAA is supposed to keep from happening. So stop it!!! now!!!
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