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Old 10-24-2016, 06:50 PM
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https://twitter.com/JCTSports/status/790660583523815433
suspended indefinitely from all team related activities due to violation of team rules

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/...e1e896264.html

" ..suspension is related to an incident that occurred in Downtown Bloomington this weekend. "

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"The suspension is the second for Hawkins during his Redbird career.
He was suspended by Muller for a violation of team rules after two games of an exhibition trip to Spain in August 2015."


This is a disturbing pattern - not that kids get into trouble or arrested but that it happens over, and over, and over with kids getting phony suspensions multiple times or no suspension at all and allowed right back without missing anything...and arrested even for serious issues like drugs & DUI's multiple times and yet are always cleared and back on the team before they miss any games.
I don't know all the facts with Hawkins' recent suspension but does it matter when this is happening regularly like clockwork to multiple team members?
Keep in mind, there was one ISU player last year who had TWO DUI's during the school year!! - one just BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED and one while license suspended & on supervision for the former DUI and thus his violation was upgraded to criminal felony- and yet the kid never got suspended for even a single practice or game. (now the guy's skipped town and failed to show for his court dates- and now is delinquent on his fines & bail- LOL)
And kids caught dealing drugs out of their dorm rooms (Allen) were also let back on the team! Another was recruited and played while on probation & supervision for a violent felony in another state. OMG- winning seems the only goal, here!
A couple of other ISU players were also previously suspended due to incidents that occurred in downtown Bloomington ...LINK but this stuff is rampant at ISU and it's a culture that's been going on for a decade with rapes, drugs and no discipline.


And the funniest example of a phony suspension was a few years ago under Jank- when he announced an "immediate and total suspension from all team related activites" on Brandon Sampay when he was arrested for a DUI- who then was shown the very next morning fully participating in ISU's practice when the Pantagraph posted a video report from practice.

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Old 10-24-2016, 07:35 PM
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Based on Muller's history of soft discipline, my money is on this suspension somehow being lifted by ISU's first game Nov. 11 at Murray State.
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Old 10-24-2016, 07:52 PM
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Well, "suspended" definitely means something different over there in Bloomington than it means everywhere else - no player of any significance ever misses even a practice let alone a game....and kids with DUI & drug arrests weren't suspended at all on numerous occasions - with the fans & public only finding out when it hit the message boards!
Compare that to another MVC coach who cut his TOP scorer & best & most experienced player loose right after he violated a minor team rule ...simply because rules are rules. This is the kind of coach I have the highest respect for.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:28 AM
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Well, some of the facts have been confirmed.
Deontae Hawkins had some kind of event (maybe an accident?) this past weekend - reportedly in downtown Bloomington,
and he was stopped by police and was issued a DUI. He was also cited for driving on a suspended license and an open liquor carry violation.
Also noted are at least two prior legal cases still pending in McLean County that are yet unresolved, as he failed to appear for his scheduled court dates. That could be the reason his license has been suspended and why he was held in custody.
He was reportedly held in custody from the time of the arrest for a hearing in court at 1pm Monday - McLean County Courtroom 3E
At that hearing, he was issued a Bond of $3000 and scheduled for a pre-trial hearing on Nov 17 2016 10:00am in McLean Co. Courtroom 3D



Per one of the Redbird posters, RedbirdRecon, there's something else odd about Deontae Hawkins
His status on the ISU roster has been recently changed from "Junior" to "Senior"
http://www.goredbirds.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

He was listed last year as "Sophomore" - LINK

Make whatever you want of it until there's some explanation, but perhaps it could mean that he has not fulfilled the requirements of the "Non-Qualifier" status to keep on track for graduation and thus might lose that 4th year of eligibility?
("Non-qualifiers have the ability to gain back a year of eligibility if they complete at least 80 percent of their degree prior to the beginning of their fifth year of college")

Note that McIntosh, who is the exact same status from 2013-14, is still listed as a Junior.
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Those are expulsion level offenses at almost any college (except ISU) especially for a kid with prior discipline, suspension, and legal issues. But this seems like Muller's best shot at making the NCAA so I expect this to get swept under the rug and I agree with da coach that he will be deemed to have been punished enough by missing their exhibition game and he'll be back for their first real game.
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Old 10-25-2016, 01:35 PM
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"We'll handle it "in house"" means we will never hear them mention it again.
Time to apply the "renegade" label...
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:50 PM
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Muller already appears to be walking back his own statements!

Muller initially said Hawkins was "suspended indefinitely"...
Now when asked at Media Day)....
"Asked if Hawkins will still be practicing, Muller said, “We’re still gathering
information. As of right now, nothing’s been decided."

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"The only thing I’ll say about that is disappointed, of course, and as usual we’ll keep it in house and get information out as we decide,”

So nothing's been decided? ...and don't call us, we'll call you... in regard to what he plans to do....
I thought Hawkins was suspended? - but now "nothing's been decided"... a pretty odd "suspension"....the kind of suspension that only applies to players you need in order to win....
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Old 10-26-2016, 01:06 PM
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There's more to the criminal meltdown over at ISU...

now word coming out that two more ISU players, both underage, were also arrested and charged in either the same or some similar incident.

DJ Clayton - a juco kid - charged with underage liquor consumption and theft and possession of stolen property, he was held in custody, had his hearing yesterday, was bonded out at $5,000, and will have another hearing on Nov. 1

Milik Yarbrough - a transfer who is redshirting - charged with theft and possession of stolen property - was held in jail and had a court hearing late yesterday - bonded out at $5,000 and then scheduled for a further hearing Nov. 1

there's is some speculation that perhaps these two were with Deontae Hawkins when he was arrested for DUI & had open liquor in his car..but since nobody's talking and they are trying to hide all this, I guess we don't know for sure.

so...did Dan Muller not know about all this yesterday when reporters at MVC Tip Off Day were asking him questions and he deflected and acted like everything's fine and nothing bad happening?

ISU fans and supporters should demand that Muller stop lying and covering up about the stuff going on in his program.
Keep in mind he had multiple DUI's by kids on his roster last season and it was swept under the rug, and he has another
kid right now on his roster that just got a repeatr DUI (Thompson) -

btw- one of SIU's starters had an arrest similar to Warren Jones, using false ID, drinking underage then resisting arrest - but it was also kept quiet & no discipline - maybe Barry didn't know?
Supporters of the program would understand and forgive a kid and give a 2nd - even a 3rd chance - but the programs need to be fair & honest and provide discipline otherwise it's not fair to fans, to other players and not even fair to the kid to get away with zero discipline.
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Old 10-26-2016, 01:50 PM
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What did Dan lie about? We will have to see how this is handled. Hopefully proper measures are taken. Also you chastising other programs is quite funny. Bradley has been nothing but choir boys over the years. Your defense of people like Egolf,Ruffin and so on is hilarious.
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This is not Clayton's first arrest & suspension it may have played a part in his departure from Western Kentucky.
http://www.bgdailynews.com/sports/wk...a86a3e6df.html
http://www.bgdailynews.com/sports/wk...5aa08fc58.html
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What did Dan lie about? We will have to see how this is handled. Hopefully proper measures are taken. Also you chastising other programs is quite funny. Bradley has been nothing but choir boys over the years. Your defense of people like Egolf,Ruffin and so on is hilarious.
I expected this blowback as if Bradley is the renegade program ISU is...but I will take the bait & respond...
Since the changeover in admin - BU hasn't had so much as a jaywalking.
...but the sheer volume of DUIs, drug arrests, expulsions, and serious crimes at ISU dwarfs anything you can bring up about Bradley.
I know BU has had kids who have had a violation - generally minor - virtually always dropped from the record after a short period of supervision.
...all pretty low end stuff - nowhere close to the same ballpark we're talking here.
This current stuff warrants DISMISSAL since this stuff is repeat violations by repeat violators - and there's even more since Hawkins shows up in other databases as well.
But since when had Bradley had volumes of DUIs and repeat offenders? I can't think of any.
And never the major stuff & felonies at ISU like this. ** ** ** ** ** ** - all charged as felonies...

Plus like it or not the BU guys who have had violations have always served suspensions and been disciplined - some have even been sent packing after relatively soft violations (Brown, McCain, Suggs) - but most of these ISU guys with DUIs never missed a single practice - so is it any wonder they never take the discipline seriously and go right on getting more DUIs.
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Didn't McCain get arrested for sleeping in the back of a car with a prostitute? My bigger point is no matter what happens at any other program you find ways to spin the actual information. When did Dan lie again?
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Didn't McCain get arrested for sleeping in the back of a car with a prostitute? My bigger point is no matter what happens at any other program you find ways to spin the actual information. When did Dan lie again?
There is no report that I can find that he was with a "prostitute". Maybe you can substantiate your claim.
He was caught in the back of a woman's car with a small amount of marijuana. He was charged with a misdemeanor possession and he was dismissed quickly. You don't see the difference? ISU players only get dismissed after they finally plead guilty to felonies.
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...Bradley has been nothing but choir boys over the years. Your defense of people like Egolf,Ruffin and so on is hilarious.
First, nice attempt at pivoting away from the ugly situation at ISU. This is not about Bradley, but if you want to go there, let's look at the differences.

The Egolf incident was almost 4 years ago, and the Ruffin incident almost 9 years ago. Both Egolf and Ruffin were taken to task here and by most Bradley fans, and they were punished severely with numerous game suspensions and probation in addition to the legal system instituting penalties.
The only "defense" here in Ruffin's case was because the charges were highly exaggerated (initial media reports of "punching", "kicking", and "ligature marks", and signs of "severe trauma" on the victim which were all untrue) and the media also failed to report that the victim wanted to withdraw her charges, but was not allowed to by the states attorney.

Meanwhile ISU has had a player- (Bobby Hill) - who was allowed to remain on the team despite charges of sexual abuse of an underaged girl. He was allowed to continue participating in team activities and was only dismissed after he plead guilt to the charges. He had also had previous legal and disciplinary issues as well. He will have to register as a sexual offender the rest of his life.

ISU also had a player arrested and charged with "criminal conspiracy-marijuana and manufacture/delivery of 30 to 500 grams of marijuana", a drug dealing felony offense! Yet he remained on the team and was allowed to practice- (Geoffrey Allen)! He was quietly dismissed only after he plead guilty.

There was the case of Jamar Smiley, who was arrested for driving a stolen car, along with other violations and charged with a felony. All he got was "probation" from ISU, which was meaningless anyway, since he he ended up with a subsequent arrest for driving with an expired license, yet despite being on probation with felony charges pending, he was not disciplined at all!
BTW, Smiley was a pretty good player, so suspending him might have hurt the team a little too much!

And more recently there was the case of Daishon Knight, who was arrested for punching a woman and resisting arrest right before the start of the 2013-14 season. He was suspended briefly, then quickly reinstated by Muller before ever missing a single regular season game, since he was a key player on the team and the team's top scorer. Knight was sentenced to 24 months conditional discharge and 100 hours community service, but he became a 2-year starter and never missed a single game!

There have also been multiple ISU players in the past who have had DUI's and repeat DUI's, and remained on the team, as well as multiple former ISU players arrested for various other charges, some of which were never made public! Most of the players on the Redbird roster in recent years appear in the McLean County criminal database for various violations of the law. I can list their names if any ISU fan has trouble remembering, but anyone can look them up. Many of these legal issues in the past were kept secret by ISU, until they were discovered and "outed" on fan message boards, and few of them missed any real games.

Yes, there were several legal and disciplinary issues under Geno Ford, every incident was publicized here and in the media to an extreme, and fans here were highly critical of the culture that existed then. But I cannot recall any past Bradley player with anything as serious as the kinds of violations ISU players have had that I listed above, and there are more. Can anyone recall the last time a Bradley player even got a DUI?
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Old 10-26-2016, 04:29 PM
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Didn't McCain get arrested for sleeping in the back of a car with a prostitute? My bigger point is no matter what happens at any other program you find ways to spin the actual information. When did Dan lie again?
no- I don't think being a car with a person the cop thinks is a prostitute is illegal -
but Eddren McCain was in a vehicle that police approached, recognized the woman then arrested her for pot possession and charged Eddren with possession as well. His case went to supervision then "judgement withheld" or suspended (not pursued when he satisfactorily completed supervision.) so there is no conviction against him.

Call it spin but it's actually facts...if what I am doing by citing facts is spin then what Muller is doing is hiding & obscuring important facts that he doesn't want known.
again - I ask when was anyone at Bradley ever charged with a DUI?

As for the lie - Muller stated Hawkins was suspended - then later said "nothing's been decided" when asked if Hawkins was suspended from practice.

Muller also said:
“We don’t get into specifics when kids are suspended not nor does any team across the country,

....personal attacks on guys are unfair at times,” Muller said."
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That is also a lie- most teams are very open & specific when kids are suspended they don't hide and deny the obvious as Muller seems to be doing in saying it was just some "incident" that happened downtown - conveniently forgetting to mention involvement of two other players- and not ever mentioning the other DUI's his players have had recently which risk the safety of the community.

...in fact when Daniel Ruffin was suspended - every tiny detail including a photocopy of the police report were on the PJS front page for weeks. Nobody tried to hide anything...
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Looks like the Bloomington Pantagraph is finally starting to catch up on the story-
ISU's Clayton, Yarbrough charged with misdemeanor theft
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/col...dd58484c9.html

Clayton, 20, was accused of using of concealing property valued at less than $500 that belonged to another person. Clayton was also charged with consumption of alcohol by a minor.

Yarbrough, also 20, was charged with theft in connection with the same incident involving the iPhone. Yarbrough and Clayton were both released on $5,000 personal recognizance bonds and ordered to be back in court Nov. 1.


According to ISU Police Chief Aaron Woodruff, the charges relate to a report of a stolen phone in September by an ISU student. Investigators learned the phone was recently reactivated and were able to determine its general location.

Clayton took the phone and gave it to Yarbrough, according to the police chief. The victim’s wallet also was recovered, said police.

"We are aware of the situation and are handling it internally," said Redbirds coach Dan Muller.


These charges are related to a separate set of incidents from the Deontae Hawkins alcohol-related charges announced yesterday. Hawkins was arrested early Sunday morning and charged Monday with driving under the influence of alcohol, illegal transportation of alcohol and driving with a suspended license.

Apparently, ISU does not have an alcohol policy for their athletes, like most schools do, because these are just 2 more to add to the several other recent alcohol related violations, and nothing ever seems to change.
But interesting to note that ISU and Coach Muller have known about some of these latest developments for a while, and nothing was said until charges were made public yesterday and this morning and first reported here. No suspensions have been announced for Clayton and Yarbrough, and apparently, ISU intends to "handle it internally", which is ISU-speak for "sweep it under the rug".

BTW, this is the 3rd violation for Milik Yarbrough in the McLean County criminal database, as well as now 3 violations for Clayton, they have only been on campus for a few weeks. But both of them have a long way to go to match Deontae Hawkins, who appears in the McLean County criminal database 7 times, plus more in Ohio, where he is from!
And believe it or not, that is not even close to the record for numbers of entries in the database by ISU players the last couple years. There is one player who was only on the roster for 1 season who had 11 arrests/citations, including a second DUI while on probation from the first one. Yet ISU never made this public and he played in 30 games last season!

Here is a picture of the ISU administration, coaching staff, and fans discussing all their mounting player legal issues.

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they're "handling it internally" since that has apparently always worked in the past

Leadership=stepping up and taking responsibility
we learned a lot about lack of leadership the past few years in our Athletic Dept & AD

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We haven't even touched on the ISU football players

For instance, last year, they had a star football player arrested on a felony charge of unlawful delivery of marijuana during the off-season.
He was suspended briefly, plead guilty, then was quickly reinstated months before the season began, and he never missed a single game. Of course, he was the team's leading rusher. Sounds like Dan Muller's system of discipline.
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The Vidette calls for Coach Muller
"to take action" on all the recent arrests..
http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/...19bcc7eaa.html

NOTE: That the original title to this column was...
"Muller needs to take action on troublemakers" - but then the title was changed to "Muller needs to take action on recent arrests "


Deontae Hawkins, DJ Clayton and Milik Yarbrough have all been charged on several criminal counts in McLean County Court over the past couple days.
Muller issued a short, one-sentence statement regarding the charges: “We are aware of the situation and are handling it internally.”
Handling it internally. What??
It’s time for Muller to put his foot down and hold his players accountable.
Muller plans to handle these issues internally and get information out as he decides. But brisker and more strict decision making is needed
in order to show fans he has complete control of this team.


They choose an interesting photo to accompany the column


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Good for the Vidette writers to demand some accountability. Too bad the wishy-washy butt-kissers at the Pantagraph don't have the cajones to demand the same. The Pantagraph sycophants have been helping ISU basketball and football coaches cover up the legal issues of their players for many years.
Note that numerous past ISU players have had DUI's, some multiple DUI's, that went unreported by the Pantagraph, and unrevealed and unpunished by ISU until the news broke on fan message boards, sometimes months after they happened!

Muller has only been there 4 years, yet he has set records for the numbers of kids getting arrested, cited, and suspended for violations.
Plus he has set records for the number of players he has dismissed (the list of dismissed players is too long to list here), yet the Pantagraph almost never bothers to look into it or report about it.

This all falls on Dan Muller, and their AD. Many of these players had similar criminal and legal issues before they came to ISU, and it was well known. That is why good players like Lofton, Clayton, Akoon-Purcell, and others were not recruited by other coaches and Muller was able to land them. Then combined with lax discipline, he is now dealing with all these problems. And, there is even more that isn't being reported.
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