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Old 02-09-2018, 05:48 PM
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He calls a technical on a kid & ejects him - from 74 feet away when the kid did practically nothing

scroll down and read some of the added responses - including the video of the other technical which was even worse
then the comment by the guy who says "Took about 90 seconds of these two videos for me to add this Pollard cat to the all time buffoon list of terrible NCAAB refs."
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:29 PM
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Pollard has been a joke since I was in school at BU in 06. One of my buddies got so enraged by one of his calls he got ejected from the CC arena.
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:58 PM
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Pollard has been a joke since I was in school at BU in 06. One of my buddies got so enraged by one of his calls he got ejected from the CC arena.
Gerry Pollard is by far the worst official in college basketball and it's not even close
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He calls a technical on a kid & ejects him - from 74 feet away when the kid did practically nothing

scroll down and read some of the added responses - including the video of the other technical which was even worse
then the comment by the guy who says "Took about 90 seconds of these two videos for me to add this Pollard cat to the all time buffoon list of terrible NCAAB refs."
Looking at the replay it seemed like he was at half court when he called the technical which if warranted I don't see a problem with.....but it shouldn't have never been called. Pollard is a weird ref to me...he seems like to be the "cool" ref with players, coaches, and fans for that matter on dead balls...but when the clock is running he seems to make the call with quite a bit of flare and call a somewhat close play the opposite what people think...

Listening to the announcers they made it sound like this all started in the first half and I'm wondering if that player got a technical then so when he got the second one is automatic ejection.
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Old 02-10-2018, 08:12 AM
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Gerry Pollard is by far the worst official in college basketball and it's not even close
Mike Stuart is my least favorite ref.....I know he's regarded as a good ref but I never seem to see those games
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:08 AM
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Stuart likewise has a few notorious meltdowns where he became the focus -
one on national TV - http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...z1nydzzr7vcjo1

and one right here at Carver where he ejected one of our fans- http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread...#post825117943
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Old 02-11-2018, 03:46 PM
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wow - the ISU-Valparaiso game today has BOTH Gerry Pollard and Mike Stuart!!
(plus Bo Boroski - who I think is a pretty good ref)
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:39 PM
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Please don't take this wrong because I am not a Gerry Pollard fan but his call was 100% correct. It was taunting and it was called correctly. Letting taunting go leads to bad things happening in games and that's why the rule was put in the books.
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:56 PM
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taunting is one of those judgement calls and you have to know what was said...

There was a referee FIVE feet from the play and intently staring right at the kid who had dunked and who obviously saw and heard what happened and did NOT make a call...
Obviously is was NOT taunting in the eyes of the only ref who actually saw the play and saw & heard what transpired

Gerry Pollard was on the other side of halfcourt more than 50 feet away and could only see the player's back - and certainly could NOT have heard what was said...
Pollard could not have possibly known if it was taunting but made the call anyway just because that is the way he is

It would be like a batter turning to say something to the ump behind the plate- then the 1st base ump 50-60 feet away who couldn't actually see nor hear what was going on - comes rushing in and ejects the batter.
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taunting is one of those judgement calls and you have to know what was said...

There was a referee FIVE feet from the play and intently staring right at the kid who had dunked and who obviously saw and heard what happened and did NOT make a call...
Obviously is was NOT taunting in the eyes of the only ref who actually saw the play and saw & heard what transpired

Gerry Pollard was on the other side of halfcourt more than 50 feet away and could only see the player's back - and certainly could NOT have heard what was said...
Pollard could not have possibly known if it was taunting but made the call anyway just because that is the way he is

It would be like a batter turning to say something to the ump behind the plate- then the 1st base ump 50-60 feet away who couldn't actually see nor hear what was going on - comes rushing in and ejects the batter.
T I disagree with your post 100%. The court is 94 ft long and he was at half court. Let me correct another point your making. Taunting does not have to be only something being said it can be the situation that happened on this play. AS the player dunked the ball and landed he most obviously pointed his finger at the guy he just dunked on. He probably said something but if he didn't the call was still correct. I'm sure Pollard couldn't hear what was said if anything was but the finger pointing is what got him the T and it should have. You point out that the official 5 feet away didn't make the call so it must be right. WRONG again the guy 5 ft. away flat out missed the call. One thing neither of us know is whether Pollard was looking for something on that kid because of something from earlier in the game and that is possible. I once told a kid I was keeping one eye on him and my other eye on the other nine. Guess what he was no longer a problem the rest of the game. I called that preventive officiating maybe Pollard doesn't believe in that we'll never know but the call was correct
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:13 PM
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I hear ya, and I said I know it is a judgement call - so refs call technicals on plays that nobody can figure what anyone did wrong. But a judgement call stands so there's no overruling - but as the broadcaster says - the fans are here to watch the players not watch Gerry Pollard.

and there is another view of the whole play from the baseline that does show Pollard, surprised by the play
getting a very late start and still on a run as the ball is dunked & he's at the half court stripe - so given the angle it is 50+ feet -

Watch this other view at about 1:20 on this video in this article
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...r127n0d61gjupp
The kid does less than 99% of plays you'll see in any game...

and, sure the court is 94 feet long but then half court is 47 feet from the baseline - but he's not dunking at the baseline over on Pollard's side..
You recall how to figure the long side of a right triangle...(Pythagorean theorem)
then Pollard is 47 feet from the baseline and 25 feet from the middle of the court.
Just do the math- it comes out to 53+ feet - and there are plenty of people who think it was a very bad call

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...r127n0d61gjupp
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I hear ya, and I said I know it is a judgement call - so refs call technicals on plays that nobody can figure what anyone did wrong. But a judgement call stands so there's no overruling - but as the broadcaster says - the fans are here to watch the players not watch Gerry Pollard.

and there is another view of the whole play from the baseline that does show Pollard, surprised by the play
getting a very late start and still on a run as the ball is dunked & he's at the half court stripe - so given the angle it is 50+ feet -

Watch this other view at about 1:20 on this video in this article
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...r127n0d61gjupp
The kid does less than 99% of plays you'll see in any game...

and, sure the court is 94 feet long but then half court is 47 feet from the baseline - but he's not dunking at the baseline over on Pollard's side..
You recall how to figure the long side of a right triangle...(Pythagorean theorem)
then Pollard is 47 feet from the baseline and 25 feet from the middle of the court.
Just do the math- it comes out to 53+ feet - and there are plenty of people who think it was a very bad call

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...r127n0d61gjupp
Well there are plenty of people who are wrong and I would bet just about 100% of the people you refer to have never worked a game or read a rule book and would have zero idea how that play should be called. If it makes you feel better I'll give you the 53 ft. because again that makes no difference . It was the correct call by the book and those people who thought it was wrong DON'T get a vote. The man who missed the call was the closest to it, but it happens. Can't believe I'm sticking up for Pollard but when the TV media or fans make a statement that a call was wrong and it involves a rule, it needs to be interpreted correctly. I can not count the times I've heard broadcasters misinterpret a rule on the air. I see no point in arguing judgement calls but rules are black and white. Another thing I do agree with you on is Pollard does like to be seen and that's to bad.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:51 AM
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Well there are plenty of people who are wrong and I would bet just about 100% of the people you refer to have never worked a game or read a rule book and would have zero idea how that play should be called. If it makes you feel better I'll give you the 53 ft. because again that makes no difference . It was the correct call by the book and those people who thought it was wrong DON'T get a vote. The man who missed the call was the closest to it, but it happens. Can't believe I'm sticking up for Pollard but when the TV media or fans make a statement that a call was wrong and it involves a rule, it needs to be interpreted correctly. I can not count the times I've heard broadcasters misinterpret a rule on the air. I see no point in arguing judgement calls but rules are black and white. Another thing I do agree with you on is Pollard does like to be seen and that's to bad.
Wily, I 100% believe this was the wrong call. Officials all of the time defer to the official on top of the play because they have the best view of what happened. This is an example of an official making it about themselves. T is right, that there are worse actions throughout the game. The guy looking at the other player as he backs away can't possibly be defined as taunting. Now if Pollard thinks something was missed, he should have consulted with the baseline official to see what he saw and heard. If it amounts to what was in the video then that was a bad call.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:02 PM
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Wily, I 100% believe this was the wrong call. Officials all of the time defer to the official on top of the play because they have the best view of what happened. This is an example of an official making it about themselves. T is right, that there are worse actions throughout the game. The guy looking at the other player as he backs away can't possibly be defined as taunting. Now if Pollard thinks something was missed, he should have consulted with the baseline official to see what he saw and heard. If it amounts to what was in the video then that was a bad call.
You know what egib52 it's totally alright for you to think the call was wrong but it was 100% correct just made by the wrong guy. The lead official who was in better position swallowed his whistle. Your second sentence is also totally wrong. Yes they do defer to each other once in a while but when more than one official has a whistle or one asks for help. Neither of those situations occurred in that play.Your 5th sentence is also incorrect. The taunting wasn't for him looking and backing away. It was for the look and finger pointing at the player he just dunked on. Regarding your 6th sentence IMO Pollard never for a second thought he missed something. He called it right away and didn't hesitate. That tells me he was more than sure and never asked for help. Check the video again and I'm sure you'll see the finger point which is taunting. I've been involved with officiating games and the rules for over 40 years and I know what problems can be caused by taunting and it should have been called but by the official closest to the play. Unfortunately he couldn't get the whistle out of his throat.
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You know what egib52 it's totally alright for you to think the call was wrong but it was 100% correct just made by the wrong guy. The lead official who was in better position swallowed his whistle. Your second sentence is also totally wrong. Yes they do defer to each other once in a while but when more than one official has a whistle or one asks for help. Neither of those situations occurred in that play.Your 5th sentence is also incorrect. The taunting wasn't for him looking and backing away. It was for the look and finger pointing at the player he just dunked on. Regarding your 6th sentence IMO Pollard never for a second thought he missed something. He called it right away and didn't hesitate. That tells me he was more than sure and never asked for help. Check the video again and I'm sure you'll see the finger point which is taunting. I've been involved with officiating games and the rules for over 40 years and I know what problems can be caused by taunting and it should have been called but by the official closest to the play. Unfortunately he couldn't get the whistle out of his throat.
When you say pointing are you referring to his action at 1:24 in the video?
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Regarding your 6th sentence IMO Pollard never for a second thought he missed something. He called it right away and didn't hesitate. That tells me he was more than sure and never asked for help.
Let me ask this instead, based on your experience, if you were 50+ feet away from the action, but you thought you saw something that would result in a technical, would you not confer with the official on top of the play to see what he saw?
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Let me ask this instead, based on your experience, if you were 50+ feet away from the action, but you thought you saw something that would result in a technical, would you not confer with the official on top of the play to see what he saw?
You've asked a very good question. There are 3 officials on every game and each is responsible for certain areas of the floor depending on which area they are in. Hope that makes sense but it is the way the game is called. First let me make sure we all agree the person closest to that play DID NOT make a call. That doesn't mean there wasn't anything there for him to call because on this play he flat out missed it. The closest official to the play should have been the one with the call. The only way officials would confer on this call is if two had it different and in this case there was not two whistles so zero need to ask for help.. Pollard was positive what he had and there was no reason to confer with the guy closest because he didn't have a whistle. I haven't done a real good job answering your question because in almost 2000 games that never happened. You call what you see not what you think you see and that's exactly what Pollard did. Maybe the best way to answer your question is , you would NEVER blow your whistle then ask another official what he saw when he didn't have a whistle. That would just never happen. Hope that helps bottom line is the closest official to the play should have had the taunting but Pollard got it right. Still can't believe i'm backing Pollard because he's far from my favorite.
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:55 PM
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there was a directive from NCAA to refs this season to be more vigilant on calls for taunting, and I suspect most fans have observed that technicals for taunting are increased in number in both football and basketball
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there was a directive from NCAA to refs this season to be more vigilant on calls for taunting, and I suspect most fans have observed that technicals for taunting are increased in number in both football and basketball
The reason for the directive is that things can escalate very quickly from taunting and good things just don't happen from those situations. Preventive officiating is a very good tool for keeping games under control.
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so wily, you are saying that sometimes they call a specific act a technical when something needs to be prevented, and other times they do not?
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