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Old 03-09-2010, 05:32 PM
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I'll take tanking if it involves a 10-4 conference record, with 3 of the losses to Gonzaga and St. Mary's.
You know what? I did not know they were 10-4 in their conference. Maybe I should check the standings the next time before I post!

But they did underachieve after their great run in their preseason tourney in which they beat UCLA and Minnesota......you know what? Cancel that. Those weren't the greatest teams they played either!

Yeah, 21-10 should get them an NIT bid, but it will be close. They could at the very least be a favorite to win the CBI, but I think they will get to the NIT.
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Old 03-10-2010, 12:01 AM
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down the stretch we started a freshman, a soph, and two juniors...plus a 2nd year juco player (senior)
that is a far younger team that anyone else in the top 6 of the MVC...

I heard several people talk about the youth of Wichita...but their five starters were...
-- Senior, 4th year Junior, Junior, Junior, Sophomore (Hannah, Durley, Hatch, Ellis, Murry)..not a single freshman among their top 7 scorers...while we had TWO freshman among our top 7 guys...
The 5 guys that played the most minutes on this team throughout the season were:

Sophomore
3rd-year Sophomore
Junior
4th-year Junior
Senior

This 'inexperienced' excuse is a total joke...that is not a "young, inexperienced team".
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:34 AM
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Portland is a decent team in a middle range conference with a lot of fluff at the bottom end (half the conference had 18-24 losses and RPI >>200)
..but they aren't were never a Top 25 team no matter how many of those who vote in the polls stupidly thought so..
Obviously those wins over Oregon and UCLA that had the national gurus drooling, have since been exposed and worthless!
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:51 AM
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The 5 guys that played the most minutes on this team throughout the season were:

Sophomore
3rd-year Sophomore
Junior
4th-year Junior
Senior

This 'inexperienced' excuse is a total joke...that is not a "young, inexperienced team".
Thank you...I've said this so many times. Inexperience is just another excuse for the lack of results from season to season.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:59 AM
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The 5 guys that played the most minutes on this team throughout the season were:

Sophomore
3rd-year Sophomore
Junior
4th-year Junior
Senior

This 'inexperienced' excuse is a total joke...that is not a "young, inexperienced team".
I would have to agree. Kirk Wessler sure thought we'd be in the MVC and NCAA mix, and cited experience as a reason prior to the season starting.

http://www.bradleyhoops.com/homepage...-be-in-MVC-mix

He also didn't let this fact fall by the wayside either -

One reason for optimism on that front is experience. After breaking in 11 first-year Division I players over the past two years, the newest edition of the Braves goes nine deep in scholarship vets, including eight who have won a starting position at some point in their careers.

http://www.bradleyhoops.com/homepage...ng-keys-for-BU

And let's not let Jim Les off the hook either. This is what he said at Media Day this year -

Les went first. He gave a glowing review of the Braves, remarking on his club’s depth and experience.

“I really like our team,” he said. “We’ve got tremendous depth at each position and tremendous competitiveness shining through in our practices.”


http://www.bradleyhoops.com/homepage...r-Pick-Six-hit

And going into the Lewis game it was cited again, to no one’s dispute.

Bradley played Lewis prior to last season, winning 74-61. But it was a closer game than that much of the way, as the Braves led by just four points with 5:16 left.

Six of the 10 Braves who played that night were new to the program. The experience difference this year is stark: nine of the 13 scholarship players have started at least one college game.


http://www.bradleyhoops.com/homepage...s-final-warmup

And lastly, in the season preview prior to the BYU game, our own Sammy Maniscalco even cites 'experience'

The Braves also return a more experienced group coming off back-to-back second-place finishes in two fledgling postseason tournaments — the CBI and the CIT, respectively — not to mention a 4-1 run during its Brazil trip in August.

“Certainly those tournaments were fun and gave us a lot of experience,” said BU guard Sam Maniscalco. “But our goal is not the CBI or the CIT. It’s the NCAA tournament. I have never experienced the NCAA tournament. March Madness is what college basketball is all about.”

Maniscalco is one of 10 returning lettermen, and one of four — along with guards Chris Roberts, Eddren McCain and Dodie Dunson — who started more than half of the team’s games last year. Andrew Warren, the Braves’ top returning scorer from two seasons ago is also back healthy as are promising frontcourtmen Will Egolf and Taylor Brown.


I didn't hear too many people disputing the 'experience' notion back in November. Now we've got our own coach saying we were 'young and inexperienced'. I say BS.
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ahem...some "won a starting position" only because of times when we were short manned, plagued with injuries (even season long ones), or had kids on suspension for trivial stuff like twittering..

we were still the MOST inexperienced team among all the top 6-8 teams in the Valley!!
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Going into this season we had a more experienced lineup with Dodie Dunson. I think that explains why there were different statements early versus later in the season.
When DD went down, we had to cancel plans to redshirt Jake and/or Dyricus, and both became important parts of the rotation. That changed a team with a lot of experience in the starting lineup into one with more inexperience.
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Yeah it brought in more inexperience...but ONE PLAYER? One player changes an entire team from an experienced one to an inexperienced one....I don't buy it and I suspect most don't either.
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ahem...some "won a starting position" only because of times when we were short manned, plagued with injuries (even season long ones), or had kids on suspension for trivial stuff like twittering..

we were still the MOST inexperienced team among all the top 6-8 teams in the Valley!!
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread...954#post171954
I think you're the only one that really believes that.
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Bradley Brave why must you use the quote feature...now I can see what he wrote...
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Yeah it brought in more inexperience...but ONE PLAYER? One player changes an entire team from an experienced one to an inexperienced one....I don't buy it and I suspect most don't either.
No, the only people who "don't buy it" are the same handful of constantly negative people who parse every word from Jim Les and try to make something negative out of it.
It really is silly that you and a few others can't take anything at face value but have to try to twist it around and try to prove to yourself that the coach is lying or spinning. I think most people see and understand exactly what Jim Les was saying, and don't have any problem with it. OTOH, Coach Les could say we intend to play with 5 players on the court and you would try to make that into some kind of deception and lie.
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No, the only people who "don't buy it" are the same handful of constantly negative people who parse every word from Jim Les and try to make something negative out of it.
It really is silly that you and a few others can't take anything at face value but have to try to twist it around and try to prove to yourself that the coach is lying or spinning. I think most people see and understand exactly what Jim Les was saying, and don't have any problem with it. OTOH, Coach Les could say we intend to play with 5 players on the court and you would try to make that into some kind of deception and lie.
Wow....3 post removals in one day...


Apparently I am on a real roll considering I haven't said anything not factual...


Then again, what do I know....apparently I am no expert....certainly not like you
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Is Andrew Warren spinning? Here's a quote from him after the win at Drake -

“We’ve struggled this year when teams make runs on us,” Warren said. “We have the experience to establish ourselves and tonight we did. I hadn’t done much up to that point and being one of the leaders on this team, it was time to step up.”

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So, are Sam and Andrew both wrong?
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I guess anyone who disagrees with your opinion must be wrong.

Except Coach Les, and in his case, to some people, he is always wrong.
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Is Andrew Warren spinning? Here's a quote from him after the win at Drake -

“We’ve struggled this year when teams make runs on us,” Warren said. “We have the experience to establish ourselves and tonight we did. I hadn’t done much up to that point and being one of the leaders on this team, it was time to step up.”

http://www.bradleyhoops.com/homepage...y-season-right

So, are Sam and Andrew both wrong?
I just take that as him believing something one game, yet not buying in during many others...


Saying it is one thing, but actually doing something about it another...


Just like your signature there....


Where are they?!
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I guess anyone who disagrees with your opinion must be wrong.

Except Coach Les, and in his case, to some people, he is always wrong.

I am not sure where anyone said Les is out and out wrong...


My point is, I just don't understand how you can not get better assistants than what we have...


As stated previously, we have a #1 who couldn't even go .500 himself in HS ball, a #2 who was supposed to be a great recruiter yet has only really landed C-Rob, a #3 who I have no clue how he got on the staff because he couldn't get that gig anywhere but Bradley, and a #4 that just started midseason, but should head to Pekin where they could really use a refresher.


You're telling me that BU couldn't get someone to recruit Chicago and another to coach the D...?!


Are they really low-balling their assistants financially THAT much?!
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I would not put myself in the "constantly negative" category, but UNI won the Valley last year (2008-2009) with Moran (FR), Ahelegbe (So), Eglesder (Jr), Farokhmanesh (Jr), Koch (Jr) and O'Rear (So) on the team. This year I thought we had the talent to be a top-three team, despite what the pre-season polls said.

Getting blown out by isu on the road and losing to them at home really hurts. IMHO that alone means that there has to be an evaluation of the program and its direction. I love the Braves but that along with some other home losses was very frustrating.

I believe that Les has the ability to turn it around, and with Maniscalco, Warren and Dunson as seniors, TB and Egolf as juniors, plus DSE contributing, that enough should have us contending for a title. Add a true 5 and BU could be VERY dangerous.
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I am not sure where anyone said Les is out and out wrong...
Come on. There are several threads going simultaneously here and on other boards with a handful of avowed Jim Les-haters parsing statements and actions of JL to try to make their usual case that the coach is lying, spinning, or incompetetant. It does get old.

By the way, despite claims by some who claim to know, Jim Les' job was never in jeopardy this year, and he has not been told he must win the MVC next year or he's gone. Those are a couple more fables fabricated by the haters, too.
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I think you're the only one that really believes that.
maybe but that doesn't change how factual it is and I have frequently been the only one believing things in my lifetime, and since sufficiently enough of those times I have been the only correct one, then I doubt I will disbelieve a clear fact just because someone else doesn't want to...
Again...we heard endlessly about how youthful Wichita was and how they are a pick to be good again next year since they have so much back...
yet as I soundly pointed out, we have MORE back and our starters down the stretch were even LESS experienced than Wichita's...
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maybe but that doesn't change how factual it is and I have frequently been the only one believing things in my lifetime, and since sufficiently enough of those times I have been the only correct one, then I doubt I will disbelieve a clear fact just because someone else doesn't want to...
Again...we heard endlessly about how youthful Wichita was and how they are a pick to be good again next year since they have so much back...
yet as I soundly pointed out, we have MORE back and our starters down the stretch were even LESS experienced than Wichita's...
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread...954#post171954
I am sure you are right again. It's the best players we've ever had, no one will ever want to come to Peoria to play or coach, Northern Iowa has an unfair advantage in being able to recruit upper Iowa/southern Minnesota with no competition, and BU is a bunch of spring chickens who can't be expected to compete at the league's highest level. With all these things being true as you say, I can't believe you're not more upset at BU not continuing this great season. I mean, don't our spring chickens need more experience?
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